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        There wasn’t a point. It was a denial that anything need to be done because the data says electoral politics are more important than stopping another genocide.

        They also seem to think all jews in the United States are pro Isreal based on saying 8 million would be angered enough to vote republican if anything happened to Israel, which is also ridiculous to say while asking for data driven anything.

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          Even if Biden withdrew all aid to Israel, the genocide persists. So, now what?

          They also seem to think all jews in the United States are pro Isreal based on saying 8 million would be angered enough to vote republican i

          There you go again with the straw-man fallacies. What’s heavily ironic about this is I’ve heard ad nauseum about the 160,000 Palestinian Americans and what they might do should Biden not change his position. I already gave the PEW data indicating a sizable chunk of those 8 million are indeed supportive of Israel and no matter how you cut it, there’s a greater risk to Biden’s reelection.

          But moreover think about just how short-sighted your thinking is here. Even if Biden stops the aid now and it backfires for Biden’s reelection, then Trump gets in — where will you be? Will you be celebrating and patting yourself on the back because Biden shot himself in the foot while Trump steamrolls Palestinians?

          I think you just might.

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              There ya go with those strawman fallacies, again!

              Such a strong fighter for these 8 months. Yet don’t seem to care whatsoever about the consequences for Palestinians (or Ukrainians for that matter) for the next 4 years. How curious.

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                I thought you hated strawman arguments?

                And now we’re too the any criticism of Biden means they’re for Trump. Way to get 2 in one there.

                Plus still haven’t seen your source on how the entire Jewish population in the country are okay with Israels handling of Palestinians and the whole genocide they’re doing.

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                  Well then my mistake; for sure: Be critical of Biden all you want. I don’t agree with you on what’s strategically better for ensuring his reelection but so be it.

                  All I care is that you vote for Biden in November. Anything short of that is equivalent to being for Trump.

                  Also, my bad - it was from another comment chain here:

                  Is this even remotely supported by polling data?

                  The answer is no, it really is not

                  • There are 172,000 Palestinian Americans.

                  • There are 7.6 million Jewish Americans who still heavily lean in support of Israeli actions.

                  • And progressives who, being the most informed part of the electorate, know damn well if Trump gets in then it’s orders-of-magnitude worse for the Palestinians.

                  … But hey, just one legit (or illegitimate false-flag) terrorist attack post-revocation of aid to Israel — and tell me, what happens to Biden and Democrats’ chances then…?

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                    Got it you just don’t like people pointing out Bidens flaws.

                    In total, 1,941 Jewish and 414 Muslim respondents participated in this survey.

                    I mean yeah totally fair to use it as representative population but not like pew research is the best, or polls have been very accurate in the last few years.

                    And again you can’t say

                    7.6 million Jewish Americans who still heavily lean in support of Israeli actions.

                    When thats more than the entire population in the states (and surprisingly more than the population of Israel)

                    https://www.jewishagency.org/jewish-population-rises-to-15-7-million-worldwide-in-2023/

                    Finally let’s suppose all of the Jewish people are going to be mad at Biden for stopping support of Israel due to them committing genocide, who would they vote for? They’d have the same issue as everyone else and have to bite their tongue and vote for Biden.

                    But hey, just one legit (or illegitimate false-flag) terrorist attack post-revocation of aid to Israel — and tell me, what happens to Biden and Democrats’ chances then…?

                    At this point who cares about Israel? It’s clear they aren’t making Jewish people safer, and those who would participate in the election are Americans

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        It’s intentional. Best guess is these are either wedge-driving trolls, or very young and naive sub-20-year-olds full of idealism but lacking a particular degree of foresight.

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            If they dodge the arguments presented and double-down with bullshit accusations and shitty obvious strawman fallacies, then yes, absofuckinglutely.