You say that, but I personally know people who voted for Trump over Harris specifically because she was a woman. I personally know people who voted for Trump over Clinton for the exact same reason.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with AOC myself and would vote for her, but to pretend that it’s a “non-issue” assumes that the average person doesn’t care. Many people do actually care, and ignoring the existence of those people is poor strategy. Maybe I’m overestimating the number of people who care, maybe not, but it is unfortunately a real concern that won’t magically go away by pretending people, as a whole, are more enlightened than that.
I mean sure you can find people who think or do basically anything; I haven’t seen any evidence that this is a significant group of people, even though if it was it’d show up on polls before and after the election. I’d also bet good money no such evidence exists, because if it did libs wouldn’t shut up about it. Meanwhile plenty of evidence exists that the most significant factors in Harris’s loss were the genocide and her being a rightwing ghoul.
I didn’t disagree with Harris’s flaws. But I think you might exist in a bubble, there are a lot of dumb people in the world. I consider you very lucky if you haven’t met a significant number of people who voted purely based on sex.
Do I think they’re the majority? Definitely not. But the number of people who don’t think about Palestine even a little bit is a lot higher than you think. So is the number who think “A woman can’t be president, she’ll be too emotional and other world leaders will walk all over us”. Like I said, there are a lot of dumb people in the world. Ignoring them doesn’t make them go away.
And people voted for Trump because he’s rich. Does that mean we only need to run rich candidates. Fuck no. There isn’t a large enough group of people who would otherwise vote for someone like AOC who wouldn’t because she’s a woman. Either her positions are strong enough to win or they aren’t. The woman thing is bullshit, and it’s just people trying to push for a more generic candidate that doesn’t represent us.
I think they primarily voted for him because he hated the same people they did. I don’t think him having money had much to do with it. The closest I’ve heard is “he’ll run it like a business” which doesn’t really have anything to do with him being rich.
There isn’t a large enough group of people who would otherwise vote for someone like AOC who wouldn’t because she’s a woman.
Willing to bet your future and the futures of millions of others on that assumption?
Either her positions are strong enough to win or they aren’t.
That’s not the only factor in winning presidential elections in America.
it’s just people trying to push for a more generic candidate that doesn’t represent us.
If she doesn’t win then you don’t get represented at all.
I think they primarily voted for him because he hated the same people they did.
I didn’t say everybody. I’m certain not many people didn’t vote for Harris or Clinton because they were women either. It’s an equivalent claim that some did. If we can’t run women because some won’t vote for women then we also need to only run rich candidates because some will vote for rich candidates. Also, the same could be said for black candidates, yet Obama won. Clearly people being bigots is not the reason for a win/loss.
Willing to bet your future and the futures of millions of others on that assumption?
Absolutely. I’d rather bet it on that than another Biden. I have seen incredibly little evidence that women can’t win. I’ve only seen evidence that boring ass candidates can’t. 50% of candidates lose (slightly more if you include third parties). The chances that 2/2 women lose is reasonably high, if we look at raw numbers. If we also take into account that Harris had a grand total of a few months to campaign, with a ton of controversy, it’s even more likely. Far more male candidates have lost than female, yet no one bats an eye when we run male candidates.
If we’re going to elect someone progressive, it won’t fail because of some bigots. Anyone willing to vote for a progressive will not care. The only voters who would be “lost” by this are already lost by her policy positions. There’s no reason to consider their opinions further.
If she doesn’t win then you don’t get represented at all.
Oh no! I guess we should pull Biden back in then! We can’t have anything good because we need to pander to bigots, who are an incredibly small portion of society!
I personally know people who voted for Trump over Kamala specifically because she was a woman. I personally know people who voted for Trump over Harris for the exact same reason
Uh… did you mean to say “Hillary” up there at some point? Because “Kamala” and “Harris” are the same person…
You say that, but I personally know people who voted for Trump over Harris specifically because she was a woman. I personally know people who voted for Trump over Clinton for the exact same reason.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with AOC myself and would vote for her, but to pretend that it’s a “non-issue” assumes that the average person doesn’t care. Many people do actually care, and ignoring the existence of those people is poor strategy. Maybe I’m overestimating the number of people who care, maybe not, but it is unfortunately a real concern that won’t magically go away by pretending people, as a whole, are more enlightened than that.
I mean sure you can find people who think or do basically anything; I haven’t seen any evidence that this is a significant group of people, even though if it was it’d show up on polls before and after the election. I’d also bet good money no such evidence exists, because if it did libs wouldn’t shut up about it. Meanwhile plenty of evidence exists that the most significant factors in Harris’s loss were the genocide and her being a rightwing ghoul.
I didn’t disagree with Harris’s flaws. But I think you might exist in a bubble, there are a lot of dumb people in the world. I consider you very lucky if you haven’t met a significant number of people who voted purely based on sex.
Do I think they’re the majority? Definitely not. But the number of people who don’t think about Palestine even a little bit is a lot higher than you think. So is the number who think “A woman can’t be president, she’ll be too emotional and other world leaders will walk all over us”. Like I said, there are a lot of dumb people in the world. Ignoring them doesn’t make them go away.
Americans voted for a low IQ felon rapist pedo over highly educated and accomplished women…twice.
What bubble are you living in?
And people voted for Trump because he’s rich. Does that mean we only need to run rich candidates. Fuck no. There isn’t a large enough group of people who would otherwise vote for someone like AOC who wouldn’t because she’s a woman. Either her positions are strong enough to win or they aren’t. The woman thing is bullshit, and it’s just people trying to push for a more generic candidate that doesn’t represent us.
I think they primarily voted for him because he hated the same people they did. I don’t think him having money had much to do with it. The closest I’ve heard is “he’ll run it like a business” which doesn’t really have anything to do with him being rich.
Willing to bet your future and the futures of millions of others on that assumption?
That’s not the only factor in winning presidential elections in America.
If she doesn’t win then you don’t get represented at all.
I didn’t say everybody. I’m certain not many people didn’t vote for Harris or Clinton because they were women either. It’s an equivalent claim that some did. If we can’t run women because some won’t vote for women then we also need to only run rich candidates because some will vote for rich candidates. Also, the same could be said for black candidates, yet Obama won. Clearly people being bigots is not the reason for a win/loss.
Absolutely. I’d rather bet it on that than another Biden. I have seen incredibly little evidence that women can’t win. I’ve only seen evidence that boring ass candidates can’t. 50% of candidates lose (slightly more if you include third parties). The chances that 2/2 women lose is reasonably high, if we look at raw numbers. If we also take into account that Harris had a grand total of a few months to campaign, with a ton of controversy, it’s even more likely. Far more male candidates have lost than female, yet no one bats an eye when we run male candidates.
If we’re going to elect someone progressive, it won’t fail because of some bigots. Anyone willing to vote for a progressive will not care. The only voters who would be “lost” by this are already lost by her policy positions. There’s no reason to consider their opinions further.
Oh no! I guess we should pull Biden back in then! We can’t have anything good because we need to pander to bigots, who are an incredibly small portion of society!
Uh… did you mean to say “Hillary” up there at some point? Because “Kamala” and “Harris” are the same person…
I did, I got distracted mid comment. I edited it.