why not mention what your preferred terminology is so that people who actually care about being affirming can use the correct term?
Oh, if you actually care about being affirming, the correct term is gender. What you say to your doctor is private. Gender is the public facing bit. It’s the relevant bit for which toilets you or I go in, which is what we’re discussing.
I didn’t leave a top-level comment. I replied to someone who made an excessively broad statement lacking any nuance. They didn’t say “it’s being used as a transphobic dogwhistle in this context,” they suggested that it can only be used as a transphobic dogwhistle
No, they didn’t, they just said (and to repeat, they said it in the context of this guidance about access to gendered spaces) “it’s a transphobic dog whistle”, which is absolutely what it is in this context, and you strawmanned that up to “it’s always transphobic dog whistle in every context, even if you omit the unnecessary oversimplifying adjective ‘biological’” and made the argument about that.
very legitimate point that I made that doctor’s need to know
Correction, very irrelevant point in this context.
If you aren’t transphobic and you aren’t autistic, I would expect you to adjust how you speak in this kind of context
Great, so you’re assuming I’m not autistic. Neurotypical defaultism is ableist.
No, there’s an if at the start of that sentence and an and partway in.
and the fact that you can’t seem to understand why it happened is the same reason they wanted to do it.
Oh, I can understand why it happened. It’s because someone was being petty and trigger-happy without caring to stop and think critically for a moment. I didn’t say I don’t understand how this could happen. I just called it petty.
I think it’s rational to ban someone who refuses to accept that their lengthy sealioning is unwelcome from a comm designed to be free of exactly that kind of sealioning.
You act like you’re unable to understand why those comments were unwelcome. If you do understand why they’re unwelcome, stop. If you don’t understand why they’re unwelcome, don’t claim to understand.
why are people saying it’s a transphobic dogwhistle when I simply say “it’s not necessarily a transphobic dogwhistle”?
Ib don’t think you really thought about that question before you posted it. If I recall correctly, this is your first use of the word “necessarily”. If you had merely said “it’s not necessarily a dog whistle in every context -medics might use the term”, you might have simply had a quick “but in this guidance transphobic dog whistling is very much where it comes from and in any case a medic is likely to omit the word biological”.
Again, the context of this while discussion, as you keep rejecting despite the link at the top of the page, is the trans-harassment “equalities” guidance. The other context is entirely and irrelevantly of your invention.
this isn’t a trans comm, and neither were half the ones I got permabanned from. So your logic falls short.
I have no idea which comms you got banned from, but some whole instances are designed to be safe spaces so that trans people can complain about being excluded from access to public toilets in peace without you turning up to derail the entire conversion to be about what the word “sex” means. blahaj.zone is one such instance, and I know there are several other instances that are keen to protect trans folk from exactly the kind of “bbbut medically, surely” crap you’re pulling here.
The fact that you argue rather than apologise when people say you’re behaving insensitively to trans folk is exactly the reason I fully support banning you from trans-supportive spaces.
Nothing I’ve said has been bigoted, y’all are just loading layers of meaning and interpretation onto my statements because you’re conditioned to see transphobia and bigotry everywhere you look. It sucks that you have to put up with that stuff, but that’s not what I’m doing and you’re overapplying that filter.
Wow. I want you to think of a phrase about a minority group that you personally acknowledge is offensive.
Imagine someone turning up after someone explained that that phrase was offensive and then spending upwards of three hours arguing that it it isn’t offensive in some contexts. And then to cap it all, blaming that targetted group of people in general for being offended and hinting that they should have put aside a lifetime of prejudice and disadvantage so they can look more calmly rationally at the debate about whether it’s always offensive.
It would explain an emphasis on definitions and a deemphasis from the social consequences of debating the definitions in a particular social context.
The person I was talking to admitted that it can be hard to tell the difference between transphobia and an only accidentally offensive post. I was providing a rationale for how the latter could have occurred.
no
if they are, at the time, able to be pregnant, it makes sense
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Oh, if you actually care about being affirming, the correct term is gender. What you say to your doctor is private. Gender is the public facing bit. It’s the relevant bit for which toilets you or I go in, which is what we’re discussing.
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No, they didn’t, they just said (and to repeat, they said it in the context of this guidance about access to gendered spaces) “it’s a transphobic dog whistle”, which is absolutely what it is in this context, and you strawmanned that up to “it’s always transphobic dog whistle in every context, even if you omit the unnecessary oversimplifying adjective ‘biological’” and made the argument about that.
Correction, very irrelevant point in this context.
No, there’s an if at the start of that sentence and an and partway in.
I think it’s rational to ban someone who refuses to accept that their lengthy sealioning is unwelcome from a comm designed to be free of exactly that kind of sealioning.
You act like you’re unable to understand why those comments were unwelcome. If you do understand why they’re unwelcome, stop. If you don’t understand why they’re unwelcome, don’t claim to understand.
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Ib don’t think you really thought about that question before you posted it. If I recall correctly, this is your first use of the word “necessarily”. If you had merely said “it’s not necessarily a dog whistle in every context -medics might use the term”, you might have simply had a quick “but in this guidance transphobic dog whistling is very much where it comes from and in any case a medic is likely to omit the word biological”.
Again, the context of this while discussion, as you keep rejecting despite the link at the top of the page, is the trans-harassment “equalities” guidance. The other context is entirely and irrelevantly of your invention.
I have no idea which comms you got banned from, but some whole instances are designed to be safe spaces so that trans people can complain about being excluded from access to public toilets in peace without you turning up to derail the entire conversion to be about what the word “sex” means. blahaj.zone is one such instance, and I know there are several other instances that are keen to protect trans folk from exactly the kind of “bbbut medically, surely” crap you’re pulling here.
The fact that you argue rather than apologise when people say you’re behaving insensitively to trans folk is exactly the reason I fully support banning you from trans-supportive spaces.
Wow. I want you to think of a phrase about a minority group that you personally acknowledge is offensive.
Imagine someone turning up after someone explained that that phrase was offensive and then spending upwards of three hours arguing that it it isn’t offensive in some contexts. And then to cap it all, blaming that targetted group of people in general for being offended and hinting that they should have put aside a lifetime of prejudice and disadvantage so they can look more calmly rationally at the debate about whether it’s always offensive.
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agreed, except that how is autism relevant?
It would explain an emphasis on definitions and a deemphasis from the social consequences of debating the definitions in a particular social context.
The person I was talking to admitted that it can be hard to tell the difference between transphobia and an only accidentally offensive post. I was providing a rationale for how the latter could have occurred.