Trump supports Putin because he’s idiotic. A less stupid and chaotic leader would be able to tell the difference between someone who gives them a compliment and someone who is a friend to the USA.

Not if Trump is elected, it won’t!

This is really weird. You’re happy for Trump to be elected because Cheney is so bad?!?

This is nonsense. Putin and Trump are allies.

Fascism 2025 it is then. You’ve made your choice.

Because the other person didn’t do insane arithmetic between polls in a way that counted some people as three people then defend it three times before backing down, and then refuse to admit for another 24 hours that their logic was flawed.

I don’t recall anyone saying they were Harris supporters. Why would they vote third party if they supported Harris?! No, the people you’re arguing with just said that they dislike Trump. I honestly don’t know why you find that hard to believe.

At no point have you made a coherent argument based on them, though.

Are you willing to admit that polling data is unreliable and that it’s nonsense to do arithmetic on results from separate pools? If not, there’s no basis for engaging with you because you’ll just repeat the same nonsense with poll after poll until you luck out on one that is less obviously misleading.

Fascism 2025 it is then. You’ve made your choice.

I’m not going to engage with your gish gallop.

I don’t know what you mean by gish

Then look up gish gallop.

I’m not quoting any one poll as gospel, either.

Says the person who did arithmetic with poll data from different polls that made no logical sense whatever.

Out of interest, whose side do you think I’m on?

Well, I’m going to ask you a question that you have been ducking for over twelve hours: can one person be three, or were your reasoning, logic, and conclusions based on misuse of inconsistent and unreliable polling data?

Your attempt to get me to take part in a rehash of the same logic with different data is futile. Your logic is nonsense.

It’s not a fing negotiation, it’s a chance to avert fascism for four more years and you don’t care. You just don’t fing care.

No, you’ve repeated it every time once stated it. You require proof of statements you disagree with and are uncritical of statements you agree with. It’s called confirmation bias and it’s very, very normal.

The difference with you is that you act like you think that believe what you believe because you carefully and neutrally analysed the data and drew only logical conclusions from it. [But we saw where you concluded that 3.5% of Americans were trump hating non democrats and that since 8.5% of Americans were trump hating republicans and that number is bigger, all the trump hating non democrats must be republicans and none of them could possibly be third party, and once you finally understood that you had made a big mistake (because each of the non democrats had to be approximately three republicans), you didn’t admit that your argument was flawed, you didn’t reconsider your position, you doubled down and just edited the numbers for one and found another poll that was slightly less inconsistent because it only requires 7 non democrats to be 8 republicans which for some reason you now think is logical because, what? 7 and 8 are so close?]

So no, you’re not deciding what you believe is true from what the data tell you, you’re frantically trying to find data, any data, that looks even slightly consistent with your pre-conceived opinion, and not even applying basic critical thinking whilst doing it.

So no, I don’t respect your call for proof because your double standards on what constitutes proof are stark and no amount of data or logical thinking can ever cause you to rethink. It’s a fools errand for me to start engaging with your logic-free gish gallop.

I can agree that polls are unreliable and it’s hard to draw consistent mathematical conclusions from them if you like, but that does undermine your overall position somewhat, and I don’t find your fiddling of the numbers that you were previously quoting as gospel to frantically try and make them add up again terribly convincing, sorry.

I’m not going to engage with your gish gallop.

Do you have anything to say about your conclusion that one non Democratic voter equals three Republican ones?

Admit you were wrong and that I might have sensible points to make if you want me to engage with more of your insane and impossible conclusions from your bad takes on opinion polls.

That leftists should abstain from choosing the president, directly or indirectly, to preserve their voter purity is the right wing talking point. Like I keep saying, I can’t tell the difference between leftists who have been duped by this argument and Republican supporters who peddle it. I genuinely don’t know which you are, sorry.

But I really really strongly believe that if you really are a leftist, the fact that someone proposing today that you should be shot by the armed forces for your left wing views agrees that you should abstain from choosing the president because you’re a leftist, should at least give you pause. I don’t know how you can honestly both sides this shit.

That leftists should abstain from choosing the president, directly or indirectly.

The only possible conclusion from your own data is that every non-Democrat voter who disapproves of Trump is three Republicans who disapprove of Trump.

And? Do you think that there is a flaw in the data? Do you distrust the source?

FFS, one person can’t be three people! How is this not obvious to you? Explain to me how 3.5% of people can fill 8.5% of the population without treble counting! It’s really, really absurd. So you just not understand the problem or something?