seriously. I don’t want to have to go back to recompiling kernels.
We don’t want kids downloading bad stuff.
Then parents should keep an eye on their kids. Or just don’t give them full on access to the computer.
I hate that politicians keep trying to invent technology to do a parents job.
“We care so much about the children!”
Meanwhile: Pedophiles? Is ok. Climate Change? Hoax. Abortion? Is evil. School shootings? Unavoidable. Child labor? Can boost the economy. Also don’t forget the army is recruiting, the meat grinder needs feeding.
I think it’s absolutely obvious the USA government gives zero shit about kids. They are only being use as laverage just like in any dysfunctional family.
But… In your example about abortion, it would be evil because its killing unborn babies (aka children), so you kind of help their point.
Everything else is wrong though with pedo, climate change, etc.
Blanket statements about abortions are wrong I agree. But banning abortion altogether actually hurts children. It increases the number of dysfunctional families. It encourages dispair and hurts mothers more than it needs to.
Abortions with rules and regulation is a net positive for humanity and children as proven in pretty much every developped country.
As a society let’s look after children that are alive before we worry about 3 weeks old fetuses. Let’s save the mothers when possible and allow abortion to be a virtious mean to save lives.
Banning abortions kills people who have been born already, including children.
So, no. They’re not right. Their point is trying to punish people for having sex.
Absolutely. While we’re at it, let’s repeal agegating smoking, driving, and drinking. The parents should keep an eye on their kids.
I’m not saying kids should be handed porn that’s such a stupid take. I can do the exact same for your comment.
Parents shouldn’t take care of their kids, instead we should let the government tell them what to think, what to eat, who to hate, and who we should be praying to.
Do you see how brain dead your comment is?
I see how brain dead your response is, because I didn’t suggest any of those things. Your argument hinges on the idea of not creating laws and instead leaving it up to parents to prevent their children from doing bad things. So why wouldn’t that extend to all those other things I listed?
So why wouldn’t that extend to all those other things I listed?
There’s a fundamental difference between the action prohibited and the means by which that is carried out. We can ban drunk driving, now we can enforce that by arresting people driving drunk or shooting everyone who walks out of a bar that touches a car. The latter is extreme but technically does the thing we are after. If we murder everyone who walks out of bar drunk, we technically prevent drunk drivers.
That’s the issue. We are trying to make it where computers keep us in check. That’s a bad idea for sort of the same reasons why installing breathalyzers in every car would be a bad idea. We’re trying to paper over actual enforcement. So that way when there’s a failure we don’t have to blame law makers for making bad choices or law enforcement for not doing their job, we can just blame computers.
I just hope you can understand why that’s bad.
Like… The flock cameras. Made to be able to pinpoint the motions of criminals so that law enforcement doesn’t have to. That’s a great starting intention, but having cameras that watch everyone at all times, that’s bad. And I think you can understand why it would be bad.
Kids still drink, kids still vape, kids still get behind the wheel when they ought not to. It’s up to us humans to enforce our rules on other humans. And the more we forget that, the more we hand power over to whoever is controlling the computers or technical aspects or whatever.
If parents don’t want their kids watching porn, that’s a pretty easy fix that doesn’t require us to hand over critical functions of our computers to some 3rd party to, at some later date, do something we know not of.
Like goodness how is the bad aspects of this not obvious outright? Like how did we start getting to a point where we’re so blind to how all of this can go off the rails so quickly? All these are bad things for reasons that’s really complicated that might not fit in 5000 characters or less. But they’re bad. The whole having a computer verify age by scanning the barcode, what happens when that company signs off on a deal with health insurance? What would happen if the Kroger plus card data was sent over to your insurance provider? Everything you bought at the grocery store is something that your insurance provider has access to?
Like c’mon how are we not seeing this? It’s not about “kid should have access to porn”, it’s about how we go about enforcing the whole “kids shouldn’t have access to porn.” You have to understand, I’m making a statement not about the “ends,” I’m making a statement about the “means.”
We all seem to be always getting so caught up on the end goal that we forget to stop and consider the actual path we’ve selected. We’re so preoccupied with whether or not we can prevent something, that we don’t stop to think if we should reconsider how we go about it.
Please I’m begging you, there’s a really important point in this and we keep failing to see it, A LOT! Like, I’m glad everyone is starting to understand the dangers of having a Ring camera everywhere, but it’s so frustrating that it took a Super Bowl ad for it to finally sink in how bad an idea it is when a lot of people were pointing this out very early on with the Ring TOS.
I’m getting old and I’m getting tired that this keep happening, I don’t want any of us to be agreeing to something that’s got a pretty easy fix for it already, that’s got massive ramifications down the road if we go down the purposed path. It’s not ends, it’s the means, it’s the means. We keep selecting ones that have that really bad consequences.
I don’t understand what any of this has to do with offloading responsibility onto parents (that are often irresponsible). Either it’s the parents’ responsibility or it isn’t. Can’t have it both ways.
I don’t agree with ID-gating the internet but I also don’t agree that we should rely on parents to somehow watch their kids 24/7 and pretend like none of them are shitty and that children don’t need protection from shitty parents.
We need to just accept that kids are going to be exposed to that shit, like they have been for the last 30 years.
If parents don’t want their kids watching porn, that’s a pretty easy fix
…I’m intrigued, what’s the “easy fix”?
You know it’s a bad idea because it’s literally what Mark Zuckerberg suggested in court the other day.
How will they know no one else is using the device? Kids use their parents devices and tablets all the time.
It’s a backdoor to a national digital ID scheme.
Obviously every device will be required to have both
- An always on camera for facial recoog, recounting of wrinkles using AI
2.Always on microphone for voice age analysis through stress levels using AI
- Running the only safe and super duper secure operating system Microsoft AI.
If you don’t have all three it’s an automatic 3 strikes felony offense and you’re sent straight to labor camps for the rest of your existence no AI needed (silver lining right? Riiiight)
Duh.
The war on general purpose computing.
Ignorant parents unwilling to monitor their kids or utilize already available tools to aid in preventing access to inappropriate material want devs to do so for them, ushering in a surveillance state.
Go ahead. My OS belongs to me. It does what I say. If you want it to tell you I’m an adult, it will.
holy fuck. the stupidity. it hurts.
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Before I go full tin foil hat on this theory, I want to know how they plan on making it so the signal is sent client side without the client being able to fake the signal.
Like, this sounds like something that any type of OS that allows you to install a program will be able to bypass quite easily either by always sending the adult signal or never sending the adult signal
Like reading the bill, they explicitly forbid any type of personally identifying information being transferred. It sounds like it’s just a DOB check and if you say you are > 13 or whatever age they have it as it sends a signal.
I’m happy it isn’t allowed to send PII but like at the same time, I feel like just having websites put an age check prompt up does the same thing
So… you know how Battlefield 6 requires Secure Boot and TPM enabled, which just so happens to mean you can only use Windows 11? Yeah, they’ve been priming it for a while. Soon they’ll mandate that the browsers have hooks than can read the attestation of the system like Google’s Safety system on Android, and then sites won’t even load if it doesn’t pass.
So I get what you’re going at, but I did want to add that secure boot doesn’t require Windows 11. And that the main issue with Battlefield 6 isn’t the fact that it has secure boot enabled because you can use Battlefield 6 on Linux with secure boot. The issue is it won’t pass the anti-cheat, which is Javolin if I remember correctly, breaks itself when in a Proton environment.
Being said, I don’t think secure boot is the threat everyone thinks it is. Microsoft was originally not going to let alternative platforms be allowed on the secure boot environment. However, they started facing legal threats regarding it, including a potential ban in Australia and part of the EU stated they were looking into investigating it in regards to anti-trust, so they ended up caving to avoid having a judgment in court. I don’t foresee Microsoft going back to making it so they’re the only one allowed again,and if they do it’s almost certain they’ll be anti-trusted
I can see the concern on a Google attestion style system, but I don’t ever foresee it getting that bad because people will just not use the system. The only reason it’s working somewhat well for Google is because it’s integrated into Android as a whole and practically forced upon developers if they want to use the existing integrity systems. Being said, I’ve only ever seen it in banking apps. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it on a website to website basis.
Secure Boot and TPM are not Windows-only technologies. I’m secure booting openSUSE right now
A-ha. All for the sake of children. Guess what makes my butt hurt: there are still people who buy this. And many of them
Just laugh and move on. It’s not going to happen.
These people have no idea what they’re talking about. They think that the developers of four hundred Linux distros, FreeDOS, Haiku, *nix, the BSDs, are even going to bother trying. Then you have industrial boxen running obsolete operating systems, routers, all the network devices that run the internet.
EDIT: and then every application that runs on every platform also needs to be updated. Like that’s going to happen.
If they really cared about the children, they would just physically cut the cables at the Colorado border. That’s the only way that any sort of access control can be enforced.
Dude, Trump it’s a MEME candidate, it’s never going to win >>> 2 terms later
The one hurdle politicians can always surpass is the stupidity of an idea…
EDIT: and then every application that runs on every platform also needs to be updated. Like that’s going to happen.
No, they’re wanting to target at the OS level and i doubt they know or care about linux.
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Next they’ll want you to have a license to program (without AI)
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Iirc California had a similar proposal to this. I actually think it’s not a terrible idea at the core. It’s basically an API for parental controls. You set up a device (or account on a device) and say “this is a device for a kid” and that gets used for everything. It actually makes a lot of sense to do something in that direction. Part of the reason people are convinced something needs to be done is because managing parental controls across the different myriad services and apps is a labyrinth that tech savvy parents can barely navigate, and less savvy parents don’t stand a chance.
Well then the solution is to have some company create a solution to make parental controls much easier.
Instead you’re going to give your ID to Peter Thiel who will use that to connect all of your online activity to a single profile of you. Eventually, when he and Trump and all the other right wing idiots feel emboldened they’ll send Gestapo to your house on voting day to make sure you can’t make it to the polls (or just straight up nullify your vote). And that’s the best case scenario.
Palantir is positioning itself as a crime prevention system that needs access to all of your health, education, spending and other data until they know every single thing about you so they can “predict crime before it happens”.
In 10 years time, the world is going to be a far worse place and people like you will be to blame for allowing it.
Where does it say you give anyone your ID?
How else are they going to verify your age?
So you didn’t even read it before writing a diatribe accusing me of supporting things I absolutely don’t. It literally says in the fucking bill that you just input it into the device.
Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date or age of the user of that device to provide a signal regarding the user’s age bracket (age signal) to applications available in a covered application store;
Yeah because the American police state will be perfectly happy with you only providing a date. You’re going to wake up soon to a world you don’t understand, if you don’t start paying attention.
Look man, if it’s a good solution it’s a good solution. You’re attacking things that haven’t been proposed (by the bill in the OP).
I actually don’t think legislation in a US state is a good way to create a technology standard so I wouldn’t like to see this pass, but it’s honestly the best way that I’ve seen to provide age verification for websites.
It puts the onus on the parents to set the date correctly and takes it off of businesses to comply by doing it themselves where privacy is definitely at risk. If this is what was implemented it would not harm privacy and it would defang the “protect the children” arguments they constantly use to justify completely destroying privacy.
You can rant and rage until you’re red in the face, but those are the facts.
