• ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    9 hours ago

    “defense”, right.

    these treaties were drafted for a reason.

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      9 hours ago

      Offensive landmines killing poor innocent invaders who come in and step on them.

      Finland is being so aggressive in this landmine assault.

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        8 hours ago

        there is the problem of people losing their limbs for generations to come.

        but who cares right.

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          Wrong. If nobody invades, the mines don’t get laid out in the first place.

          If it does come to that, the positions are marked mapped and they will get cleaned out. The reason for the treaty was that in some places mines were just spread willy nilly.

          I still haven’t seen your explanation for how this is actually an offense, but keep moving that goalpost 👍

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                52 minutes ago

                Yeah I mean the same the only thing that treaty was stopping was ap mines you could always have at mines and those can be rigged light to be jerry rigged ap.

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                8 hours ago

                if they are not being invaded, why pull out of that treaty?

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                  Mines are cheap and due to geography, they would be a relatively effective defense. For that reason, signing them away with the treaty was called a mistake even back then. Public opinion was about fifty-fifty for a long time and there was never enough political will to seriously consider withdrawal, or even for the opponents to be particularly vocal about it.

                  So why now? The full scale invasion in Ukraine was a shock that kicked the ball rolling. The topic became hot immediately and there was also a petition that collected signatures very fast. That took some time, but it’s how we got here.

                  Edit: improved my bad explanation.