• IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social
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    But that’s haram. Tsk tsk tsk. I bet the Taliban thinks as long as they sell it to non-Muslims it’s fine and dandy.

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      Extremists never care about adhering to their own rules. Those are just a tool to oppress and control their victims.

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        That’s true. But the “as long as you only do it to infidels” is an excuse that has been used by Muslims for centuries and not just the extremist kind.

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          Sure bud, it’s literally explicitly haram to make, ship, handle, and sell intoxicants. Doesn’t matter who the end user is. Don’t think for a second that this is something that “Muslims” excuse.

          Relevant Text

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              Anytime, I’ve noticed that the level of misinformation on Muslims is way higher on Lemmy that it was on Reddit 😞

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                Reddit taught me that correcting people on misinformation on Islam is a waste of time. I remember an argument I had with some dickhead where he called me “bonkers” for being Muslim, citing only the most inhumane behaviors and mindests that could loosely be attributed to the faith

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                  In the same sentence they’ll go from acknowledging that muslim != extremist, right back to generalizing about the whole belief system.

                  I just wish they’d fucking internalize some of the lessons they’re given and allow it to temper their bigotry.

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            Interesting, but the piece says wine in English, not intoxicants. Is Wine not correct translation?

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              The Arabic term used in that Hadith is ‘Khamr’, which is a catch-all term for intoxicant (defined as something that clouds the mind/judgement in Islam). In that time period, the most common khamr was wine/alcohol which is why it mentions pressing [grapes]. This is further clarified in other Ahadith Like this one. This is a common issue when translating classical Arabic, as a lot of common terms back then are not as specific as our modern terms and cannot easily be translated 1:1.

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                OK, to bad the translation doesn’t reflect that better.

                With religious texts there are often a great deal of interpretation, so whether it is used for good or bad often depends on interpretation.

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                OK I see it is in the next paragraph, I just didn’t read on the first time.