• ᗪᗩᗰᑎ@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    Germany, there’s a time and place for everything. This is like supporting a "sovereign citizen’s " right to freedom during a murderous rampage. It’s giving “blue lives matter” during George Floyd’s murder.

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      6 months ago

      Since many anti-semites use the current actions of Israel for, well for antisemitism, it’s the perfect time for it.

      The right to exist has nothing to do with the actions of the current government.

      Since what happened during the nazi regime, you surely can understand why Germany asks this question, don’t you?

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        6 months ago

        Is the antisemitism in the room with us right now?

        Cause it seems an awful lot to me like y’all are just calling anyone protesting what Israel is doing to Palestine antisemitic.

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          Im german. I’ve seen it. I’ve heard it. I’ve seen it in the news. It’s more subdued than racism, at least were I live. But it’s there.

          And by the way, I’m against the current government in Israel and its actions and i think those responsible should be held accountable before an international court.

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            All I see in the news is German police beating up pro-Palestine protestors and politicians trying to silence everyone who is pro-Palestine. Even worse trying to cut funding for researchers who speak out against police brutality against peaceful protestors inside universities. Never again for Germans equals never again Jewish people and apparently nothing more.

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        The antisemitism is the linking of a specific nation state and its disgusting actions to an entire ethnicity even when members of that ethnicity very overtly and explicitly disavow that link.

        Germany’s actions have all the hallmarks of German “tradition”: assuming that Jews are all the same, telling Jews what Jewishness is, implying there are good Jews (who follow Germany’s definition of Jewishness) and bad Jews (who don’t).

        Clearly Nazi thinking was never eliminated amongst the German elites, it just got its lists of “good races” and “bad races” updated.

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        6 months ago

        This is like a serial-killer, becoming a lawyer and fighting against death-penalty of other serial-killers.

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            6 months ago

            Sure, but the mindset of the people gets passed down from generation to generation.

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              I don’t know what you actually want to say about with that. Germans are nazis, that’s why they support now the people they wanted to kill?

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                Clearly the profound racism never disappeared, otherwise the German power elites wouldn’t “unwaveringly support” a nation because of the ethnicity of the majority of its people and its leaders: the more visible artifacts of ancient germanic symbols, goose stepping and the brown shirts might be gone but the thinking that some people are more worthy than others purelly because of their ethnicity is still just as strong.

                Additionally, that the German authorities are now going so far as shown in this and other news in support of the ethno-Fascists of a specific ethnicity, also indicates that the authoritarian tendencies too are alive and well in the mindset of the German power elites.

                It looks a lot like the foundations of Nazism are alive, well and returning to prominence, with a different symbology and façade, but still the same view of humans as ethnics and the same authoritarian forceful imposition of a race-based view of the worth of human beings on others.

                It’s actually quite scary to watch from the outside as Germany goes back to overtly using force to suppress dissent on its power elite’s racial supremacist views for the benefit of an extreme form of ethno-Fascism, even if this time around it’s not the Arian Race that’s being “supported”.

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                They are supporting the exact same scheme they did back in then.

                Back then, it was normal to humiliate Jews mentally and physically, while people were looking away.

                Today, the IDF (Israel) is about to make the same thing happen to Palestinians. Most of that can be seen on all the video evidence captured by civilians and press.

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        6 months ago

        The perfect time for German Nazis to use Jews as a shield for israel to commit Genocide?