• magnue@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The thread of this conversation is exactly why a line has to be drawn and written in law using the clearest measure there is.

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      2 days ago

      Oooor just let trans folk use the damn bathroom? There doesn’t need to have a line drawn

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      2 days ago

      A) No it doesn’t. Where I live, it is entirely legal for a man to enter the women’s bathroom. Nothing to do with transgender folks; it simply is not a crime.

      B) The UK has an official “gender recognition certificate” program. If you wanted to draw a line, I would think that individuals with such a certificate would fall on their recognized side of the line; however, under the new standard, a trans women with an official government issued gender recognition certificate is still considered by that same government to be a man for the purposes of using a toilet.

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      Clearest measure here wouldn’t be the “biological sex” anyway… Because going mens bathroom doesn’t require a penis, last time I checked. But it does require to be perceived as a man which relates more to other characteristics like beard and appearance. Same goes the other way around.

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        2 days ago

        And how do you define something as subjective as that in law? Absolutely absurd.

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          11 hours ago

          That’s the great thing… you don’t. They are trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. There are already laws in place which forbid harassment. There is absolutely no need to create a law which can’t be enforced anyway and is most likely causing more trouble (for cis people too!) than just keeping things like they were.