China’s armed forces secretly trained about 200 Russian military personnel in China late last year and some have since returned to fight in Ukraine, according to three European intelligence agencies and documents seen by Reuters.
China’s armed forces secretly trained about 200 Russian military personnel in China late last year and some have since returned to fight in Ukraine, according to three European intelligence agencies and documents seen by Reuters.
Not unexpected since China is an ally of Russia. But Europe can exploit this by urging China to get Russia to accept a peace proposal. Europe should tell China that with peace Ukraine can do business with China. This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
I don’t think you understand what’s going on. China is not losing in this. They’re winning. Russia needs their help, and they provide it… for a fee. They’re getting incredibly cheap oil, more power over Russia, resources, and I think some land has slightly shifted towards China that was contested. I expect China to make huge gains from this war. If they don’t end up at least de facto, if not de jure, controlling a tons of land in Eastern Russia at the end of this, I’ll be surprised.
China and Russia aren’t allies in the usually sense. They don’t assist each other for free. They just have similar opponents, but will extract whatever they can from each other without a second thought. They have no desire to help the other, except when it benefits them directly.
Even without the war China would still get cheap oil from Russia. Putin is expending huge resources in attempting to take Ukraine, it’s not going to give any land to China. A Ukraine at peace would provide business opportunities for Chinese businesses.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. They’re getting to purchase it at the same cost as Russians do, which is below cost. This is an agreement Russia made with them in exchange for some support (I don’t remember what, it was a while ago).
OK, and it’ll be there whenever it finishes too. Hell, it’s there now. This is a stupid argument. It’s not like there are a lack of places to invest in.
It’s a selling point that Europe would tell China to get it to persuade Putin to end the war. If China refuses, then Europe would end it on its own. Remember in my proposal, if Putin rejects the offer, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
What a shit deal. Ukraine would be dumb to accept it.
Why would it be a shit deal?
Why should they drop reperations? Why should European Alliance be forced to prohibit the US from joining? There’s no reason for those demands.
The reason is to entice Putin to accept the proposal.
Why don’t you offer him Ukraine then, lift all senctions, dissolve NATO, dissolve EU, dissolve the US and maybe blow his Johnson personally? He surely will accept that.
In an agreement, each party will not get everything they want. An example is an agreement between a union and the employer. In my proposal, Putin will be given incentives that will save face. Putin will be able to tell Russians that he successfully removed the threat of NATO.
So I can start an attack and then for me to stop you have to give me something because that’s how compromising works???
Yes, if that’s necessary to stop the attack.
That’s not true in any meaningful sense of the word.
Then why are they helping each other?
China is getting advantage of a situation like they always do, getting a bunch of resources basically for free. Russia is desperate for any technology, so they’re happily exchanging future of their country for access to a market of cheap toys.
It’s not an allyship in any sense.
Why would China want a renewed imperialist alliance?
It wouldn’t be an alliance. China would simply be urging Putin to end the war because Ukraine would present business opportunities for it.
The European Alliance would be an alliance by definition
Read my proposal again. China would not be part of the European alliance, only European countries and Canada.
I think they are asking "Why would China want an alliance IT WON’T be a part of?
China would simply want to end the war because Ukraine at peace would be a good opportunity for Chinese businesses.