Sales taxes are regressive. The poorest people pay way more of their income to buy things at stores. Therefore they are getting taxed a lot more than someone who saves money because they have bigger incomes
It’s only regressive when framed as a tax on consumers - which is of course easier to do in a ridiculous country that allows retailers to advertise prices without all the retailer’s costs included.
A properly organised VAT type tax is not regressive - it’s a tax on corporations that buy product for cents and then sell them on for dollars, pocketing the difference. I’ve no idea why sales taxes bring out this “but won’t somebody think of the corporations!” handwringing.
I really enjoy your snarky tone, but can you explain how any consumption tax regardless of labeling are not regressive when poor people consume a lot more of their income than people with people with higher incomes? Sure you can mitigate this by only taxing x products or offering rebates to poor folk. But it just seems like it is inherent to the system.
It seems to me that progressive income taxes, direct taxes on profits of corporations, wealth taxes, and the like are much better targeted and don’t harm the poorest among us. But I’m from a “ridiculous country” so what do I know?
How dare the government steal your money (the same money over and over) to fund genocide and line the pockets of the Trump-Epstein class, under threat of imprisonment.
That’s not a problem with taxes that’s a problem with management.
No tax is objectively fucking stupid and anyone against the concept of tax or collective public money pooling is fucking stupid.
I hate what they use my taxes for because that’s the problem. Oversight in management of public resources and funds is an issue.
But without those public resources, funds and us working together for the betterment of us, all is stupid. It doesn’t matter if the tax is in the form of money, labor group effort. What have you at the end of the day? Any form of collective resource pooling is a tax even if it’s as simple as your time.
There needs to be some form of tax. We need to fix the management in the overhead.
There is also a point to be made that we have too many different kinds of taxes and that the system could be streamlined and that taxation could be simplified. But gotten rid of is just objectively dumb. We need to work together.
Hell, I would even say there’s a good argument that monetary taxation could be replaced with a different form of collective effort. But at the end of the day it’s still just a tax no matter what you call it or how it’s done and it’s still necessary to have a functional society.
Even the both basic of hunter-gatherer groups in the most perfect idealized concept of a fully communistic society, for example, still has tax. It may be under a different name or in a different system, but at the end of the day it’s still giving your time up for the betterment of the group.
The only difference between donating eggs from your chicken to the local food bank so that everyone has access to eggs versus giving money in a sales tax so that the local government can ensure that food is provided to the poorest is management.
It all just comes down to the only real difference is management. Could management makes for good taxes? Pad management makes for bad taxes.
If you dislike what management is doing with your taxes, you should work to change the management, not f*** us all over because you don’t like the management.
By being against collective effort regardless of its form, is just you helping the rich. It makes you the prick the s*** face the a******.
Don’t give in to class warfare just because you don’t like where your money is going. Go do something about the people spending your money, spending your time, spending your resources on things you don’t agree with.
Go get involved with local politics and start working your way up to make the change you want to see. Just make sure you’re not f****** us all over as you go please.
That’s not a problem with taxes that’s a problem with management.
What tangible difference does that make? The two are inseparable.
No tax is objectively fucking stupid
I agree, and wasn’t suggesting such a thing. But when the govt taxes the same money 5 fucking different ways, and use it to perpetrate crimes against humanity, all while the ultra rich pay none of it, it gets real fucking aggravating, and I want to pay as little of it as humanly possible. The 1% could pay the other 99% taxes for them and experience no change in lifestyle at all.
Why are you against a sales tax?
Sales taxes are regressive. The poorest people pay way more of their income to buy things at stores. Therefore they are getting taxed a lot more than someone who saves money because they have bigger incomes
That actually makes sense, thank you
It’s only regressive when framed as a tax on consumers - which is of course easier to do in a ridiculous country that allows retailers to advertise prices without all the retailer’s costs included.
A properly organised VAT type tax is not regressive - it’s a tax on corporations that buy product for cents and then sell them on for dollars, pocketing the difference. I’ve no idea why sales taxes bring out this “but won’t somebody think of the corporations!” handwringing.
I really enjoy your snarky tone, but can you explain how any consumption tax regardless of labeling are not regressive when poor people consume a lot more of their income than people with people with higher incomes? Sure you can mitigate this by only taxing x products or offering rebates to poor folk. But it just seems like it is inherent to the system.
It seems to me that progressive income taxes, direct taxes on profits of corporations, wealth taxes, and the like are much better targeted and don’t harm the poorest among us. But I’m from a “ridiculous country” so what do I know?
People who downvote someone asking a question is insane. Gods forbid you want to learn something or engage in a dialogue.
Same reasons I’m against most taxes.
How dare the government raise money to fund useless things, like infrastructure, education or social services, right?
How dare the government steal your money (the same money over and over) to fund genocide and line the pockets of the Trump-Epstein class, under threat of imprisonment.
That’s not a problem with taxes that’s a problem with management.
No tax is objectively fucking stupid and anyone against the concept of tax or collective public money pooling is fucking stupid.
I hate what they use my taxes for because that’s the problem. Oversight in management of public resources and funds is an issue.
But without those public resources, funds and us working together for the betterment of us, all is stupid. It doesn’t matter if the tax is in the form of money, labor group effort. What have you at the end of the day? Any form of collective resource pooling is a tax even if it’s as simple as your time.
There needs to be some form of tax. We need to fix the management in the overhead.
There is also a point to be made that we have too many different kinds of taxes and that the system could be streamlined and that taxation could be simplified. But gotten rid of is just objectively dumb. We need to work together.
Hell, I would even say there’s a good argument that monetary taxation could be replaced with a different form of collective effort. But at the end of the day it’s still just a tax no matter what you call it or how it’s done and it’s still necessary to have a functional society.
Even the both basic of hunter-gatherer groups in the most perfect idealized concept of a fully communistic society, for example, still has tax. It may be under a different name or in a different system, but at the end of the day it’s still giving your time up for the betterment of the group.
The only difference between donating eggs from your chicken to the local food bank so that everyone has access to eggs versus giving money in a sales tax so that the local government can ensure that food is provided to the poorest is management.
It all just comes down to the only real difference is management. Could management makes for good taxes? Pad management makes for bad taxes.
If you dislike what management is doing with your taxes, you should work to change the management, not f*** us all over because you don’t like the management.
By being against collective effort regardless of its form, is just you helping the rich. It makes you the prick the s*** face the a******.
Don’t give in to class warfare just because you don’t like where your money is going. Go do something about the people spending your money, spending your time, spending your resources on things you don’t agree with.
Go get involved with local politics and start working your way up to make the change you want to see. Just make sure you’re not f****** us all over as you go please.
What tangible difference does that make? The two are inseparable.
I agree, and wasn’t suggesting such a thing. But when the govt taxes the same money 5 fucking different ways, and use it to perpetrate crimes against humanity, all while the ultra rich pay none of it, it gets real fucking aggravating, and I want to pay as little of it as humanly possible. The 1% could pay the other 99% taxes for them and experience no change in lifestyle at all.