So, again, what are they trying to argue here? The only environmentally responsible option is to leave Gaza destroyed?

From the study itself (4. Discussion & 5. Concluding remarks), this is not what I got. On the contrary, it seems to me like they try to make some calculations/estimations/evaluations so that this is something that takes place.

The point of this study, to my understanding, is to calculates some of the aftermath of this ongoing genocide, concerning debris, carbon emissions, time frames, and implications for rebuilding. No?

Is this supposed to sway eco conscious genocide supporters?

This is not the way I understood this article. It seems to me it is one more argument for the case of continuous ethnic cleansing for so many decades.

If we agree that

most frequently, however, the aim of ethnic cleansing is to expel the despised ethnic group through either indirect coercion or direct force, and to ensure that return is impossible,

then by bombing all buildings, homes and infrastructure, they force people to go somewhere else and in the same time restrict them from coming back, since there is nothing to come back to.

So in this study, they actually measure the not coming back for decades part

Edit: I did several edits. I stop now.

I also think that the Israeli attacks are related to Iran’s nuclear program but I don’t think they are related to this alleged leak. Here is a 25 min long al jazeera podcast for more on this:

Why is Israel attacking Iran now?

Thank you for your input. Even tho I find this to be totally faisable, from what the cradle article provides, I cannot verify much:

• fars looks like it’s an Iranian outlet I personnaly don’t know if I can trust or not, regardless of mbfc
• the informed sources are not named
• I didn’t manage to find the documents mentionned*

Apart from that at some point it mentions that Grossi said in Times of Israel that “We have seen some reports in the press. We haven’t had any official communication about this.”, but it is about Iran stealing Israeli documents.

Anyways, if you or anyone has more on this, please share.

Edit: *I mean deducted, or something

I would say, it’s much longer than 40 years.

This is what the United Nations, use as starting point:

1917 – 1947: British mandate

Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. All of these territories eventually became fully independent States, except Palestine, […]

She is banned but there is an appeal in place. The court’s decision on this appeal will be issued in 2026, so before the next french elections.

Yes, you are right. In Oct 2023 they said they won’t do military business with Israel. But in 2025:

However, on April 17 as Spaniards geared up for the Easter holiday weekend, the government filed paperwork confirming the deal on the government tenders website. The purchase, worth 6.6 million euros ($7.53 million), includes the acquisition of more than 15 million 9-mm rounds from Israel’s IMI Systems, owned by Elbit Systems (ESLT.TA), opens new tab and represented in Spain by Guardian LTD Israel.

It’s only only after pressure threats that the government decided to do as they had pledged in 2023:

The decision drew a sharp rebuke on Wednesday from coalition partner Sumar, with one of the groups within Sumar, Izquierda Unida, threatening to withdraw from the minority coalition government.

This is not exactly what you asked for, but it’s the closest thing I can think of. The Forensic Architecture site has some accurate info for Gaza, Palestine but they date back to 2024. Still, I think it’s worth keeping an eye out for any new investigation they might do.

A Cartography of a Genocide

Not too sure how effective this is tho, as a solution.

It seems to me like a diplomatic escalation in the sense that banning the Russian ambassador from attending this commemoration event gives Putin something to instrumentalise anyways, at least for internal consumption. In the same time this move does not apply any kind of actual pressure on Russia. So I honestly don’t know what good can come out of this move.

I believe your comment was clearly about the outlet. I just took the opportunity to say where I stand on this topic, as well.

I think I just understood our main point of difference. Maybe.

For me, the problems in the middle-east / West Asia for example, have been created due to colonialism. More specifically, because eurpean colonisers carved up the area when the Ottoman Empire started to crumble. In a way, I look further back in time to find the root cause, which is not that long ago, if you think about it. Btw, I also consider the US power-house as a problem that derived from european colonialism. Similarly, Australia and Canada even if they don’t seem to have the US power ambitions on global geopolitics.

This is why I also see migration as such a difficult issue, but as you might have noticed I didn’t talk about solutions. The prosperity of western societies was created and is maintained due to the exhaustive exploitation of other parts of the world. I believe before the west addresses that, there can be no solutions, and and-aid legislation (best case scenario that is) cannot help the healing of such deep wounds.

That is because you are describing the EU as an union of colonizers,

Not at all. Yes they started with their neighbors. You mentioned a couple of examples, another would be Ireland and the UK. Still, some common things tho between european colonisers was their sense of superiority and their brutal practices towards indigenous peoples and their environment.

On the one hand, the current refugees are not coming to Europe from old European colonies, but from Russian ones.

This is not my understanding, for 2 main reasons

• Practically such a huge amount of the world has been colonised by europeans. Btw check out the maps in the wiki page of the colonial empire.
• About the Russia thing, I don’t think so. I found these stats that present a different picture about the countries of origin. See our world in data (sort by Refugee by country of origin). If you have some info that changes significantly this picture, please share.

Edit: I moved around some sentences to make it more coherent. Hopefully.

I also believe that migration, refuge status and asylum are very difficult topics but I don’t agree with the framing you make because it seems to me you present the issue as something that came out of the blue.

For me, the context mainly derives from European colonialism, since this is how global inequalities have been established in the first place. European countries have exhausted the resources from formerly colonised places for their benefit. We also need to examine if this so-called “post-colonial era” has really shifted towards decolonisation or to a neo-colonialism in practice.

Without using taking into consideration these aspects, I don’t think we can have a meaningful conversation on the topic.

Of course, and I should have specified that the military occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal according to international standards, as well as the longest one in modern history.

For Lebanon and Syria, I believe you are right.

For Gaza, not so sure because it is part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory by Israel, for many decades now.

I don’t like the Washington Post neither. After reading a few articles on this topic from other outlets that are compatible with this community’s rule about MBFC, I chose to post this one because it’s content was relatively ok imo.

Maybe I missed a better article? Sure.

At the same time, kinda tragic of the state that western mainstream media are? I would argue, totally.

I found a site called Committee to Protect Journalists and I though of sharing some relevant info:

As of April 16:

• 175 journalists and media workers were confirmed killed: 167 Palestinian, two Israeli, and six Lebanese.
• 93 journalists were reported injured.
• 2 journalists were reported missing.
• 84 journalists were reported arrested.
• Multiple assaults, threats, cyberattacks, censorship, and killings of family members.

Ok, I hear you about Press TV.

If you have links contradicting the content of the article itself, please share.

Note: About links from wiki on this topic I am skeptical after seeing the following video. So other sources are welcome.

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia - Israel National News

And there is the Lancet Report:

Gaza death toll 40% higher than the official number, Lancet study finds - The Guardian

Analysis estimates death toll by end of June was 64,260, with 59% being women, children and people over 65

The actual report: Traumatic injury mortality in the Gaza Strip from Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024: a capture–recapture analysis