This article essentially says “These protests are unlikely to change government agendas because governments currently don’t support a ceasefire.” it doesn’t explain why this is the case.
That point is neither enlightening nor interesting.
This article does a horrible job of explaining it.
Russia-adjacent countries have a strong incentive to support Israel if they want to purchase missile defense systems. Finland signed a deal earlier this week. Many countries around the world use Israeli-made/designed military systems, and they don’t want to jeopardize their continued access to those systems.
The other factor is non-public intelligence - tack this sentence before every IDF tweet: “We have shared intelligence with our allies and are making a tiny bit public:”
Or they support Israel against terrorism because that’s the moral thing to do
There is no moral war, stop spouting nonsense.
So countries like Vietnam did not have a moral ground to fight against their french, american or chinese invaders?
I’d be careful with blanket statements.
No, there is no moral war.
Wars are fought for things not ideals.
Should Hitler have been allowed to complete his final solution?
Should Ukraine just give up 20% of their nation?
Not moral, and also not actually about any of those causes but actually about economic capture.
Again not a moral war, Russia wanted land and former ussr bases not to eradicate Nazis.
Wow bro are you glorifying Hamas right now?
Are you fucking dumb?
Well you said the defender has the right to defend themselves against occupation. While what Hamas did Oct 7 was completely within the international laws, it was still a bit rude.
no but there are strategically needed war. Lets take France.
During 7th October attack France saw 30 of her citizens murdered, tortured and raped directly by the HAMAS and there are still french hostage in Gaza. I want to note this is an act of war France could perfectly respond to with the full might of its armament. This happen in spite of the tens if millions of euros they send each year to Gaza in humanitarian aid and their political condemnation of Israeli colonization. France suffered a terrorist attack motivated by an international Jihad partly supported by HAMAS around the same date. On the wider spectrum, France as a large Christian population who regularly send loads of pilgrims in Israel and Palestine, therefore the HAMAS is indeed a very real threat to french security.
So yeah France is not going to blame Israel for destroying the HAMAS However France has spearheaded vast humanitarian effort for Palestinians since the beginning of the slaughters, from taking part in the EU airlift to sending an hospital ship to Gaza, the French Republic has been resolute in preserving civilian life while letting HAMAS die in their hole
It’s 100% French tourists went to a country that is actively in conflict with it’s neighbors while occupying and carrying out offensives in occupied territory. Death is a risk France specifically warns people about and Israel hasn’t been on the French safe travel list since 2021 because it isn’t… Safe.
That is not casus belli but way to warhawk!
Gaza had not received aid in over 48 hours, no power, no water, dead left to rot. France has no left to stand on homie, that’s not how any of this works.
Those are mostly Christian pilgrims. Second war still doesn’t allow you to target civilians.
“French safe travel list”
The french Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not work with a safe travel list but with a safety scale. It has been around the middle or even lower middle of that scale for the past two decades and was never green. You don’t know what you are talking about.
“That is not casus belli but way to warhawk”
Except France didn’t went two war, so your argument is fucking dumb. Lastly if someone steal your bike and you decide to break into the robber’s house with a gun to gat it back and the robber hurt you this still count as self defense even if the robber is an asshole ^^. According to you France should let that slide but Palestine should not let similar things slide ? Why.
“Gaza had not received aid in over 48 hours”
False. The border with Egypt was closed. But the EU airlift wasn’t. And a shitton of aid had managed to pass right before Israel forbid the entrance of aid inside Gaza (problem is that we had report of HAMAS stealing aid which didn’t help)
“it isn’t… Safe”
And ? All cities have “unsafe area” where a lot of crimes happen does that justify the rape happen there ? Is your excuse for thirty murders with acts of torture and barabarism that “they just do that in Palestine” ? If that is, I think Palestinian find it very cool you like them but clearly the best thing you can do for them is to stop saying stuff.
Lastly,
France has been involved a lot in Palestinian history. By sending so much aid to Palestinian it becames one of the main sources of PA budget to the spearheading of an EU condemnation of Israeli colonization. And most importantly it is thanks to the French Army and Navy that Palestine even exist. Oh yes, the Palestinian State was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat in 1988. In 1982 as the IDF was closing in on Beirut it was the French Army who interposed itself between the advancing IDF and the survivors of PLO command. And it was the Marine Nationale and the U.S Navy who escorted them to safety. Without this intervention 1982 would have been the end of Palestinian Resistance as an organised political movement. So that is how, you a Palestine “supporter” talk about one of the few countries that actually stepped in for Palestine.
P.S : “offensives in occupied territory” that… is by definition not possible an offensive is a military action conceived to conquer a previously unoccupied territory
TL;DR : Why are you trying to convince everyone Palestine only behave medievally everytime there’s an armed conflict and murder everyone they see be it allies or enemies ?
Who gives a shit why they’re there. And I have specifically and repeatedly condemned civilian deaths and Israels ethnic cleansing.
Remind me again, is France part of the eu? Yeah? Ok because the eu removed Israel and the US in 2021 because of both crime and the pandemic those things being not totally separable. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
That’s my point, they didn’t go to war because they couldn’t, france has to let it slide, civilian deaths in Israel are on Israel not a terrorist organization that has not held elections in the lifespan of over half it’s population.
Multiple outlets report no aid for 48 hours, argue with them homie.
It clearly isn’t safe given the deaths, right? It’s not at all “they just do that” you fucking bigot, how you even got that is beyond me, like legit are you high?
Sure, they’ve sent aid historically, that doesn’t actually change anything. I’m aware of the history, hitting up wiki isn’t going to make your argument less dumb. I’m not a “Palestinian supporter”, if you think saying Israel is going to goddamn far after killing ten times as many most of which are civilians then you’re a goddamn moron.
noun
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an attacking military campaign.
Just stop, you’re getting both tedious and idiotic.
Literally no one said that, but why are you trying to convince everyone “Palestine only behave medievally everytime there’s an armed conflict and murder everyone they see be it allies or enemies ?”
Similarly the war isn’t against Palestine it’s against hamas but nuance clearly escapes you.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“It’s always very hard to make a crystal-clear causal connection between a demonstration and the effect it has on politics,” says Jacquelien van Stekelenburg, a professor of social change and conflict at Amsterdam’s Vrije Universiteit.
In the wake of Hamas’ October 7 attacks, in which Israeli authorities initially said 1,400 people were killed — a figure later revised down to 1,200 — and another 240 were abducted, Anthony Albanese used the “defend itself” line.
By early November, Foreign Minister Penny Wong was warning at a press conference that the “international community will not accept ongoing civilian deaths”.
Canberra’s ambassador to the UN, James Larsen, said the fact “the resolution did not recognise terror group Hamas as the perpetrator of the October 7 attack” meant his country couldn’t vote.
Jewish leaders have highlighted rising anti-Semitism since the war began in October, including at some demonstrations Australia, and Israel has warned its citizens to reconsider any travel abroad.
In the days before the march, White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said Israel had agreed to daily four-hour humanitarian pauses in fighting.
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“Oooooo, you see. We don’t listen to you.”
(backroom talks)
“How do we make it less obvious!?”
Sadly enough they are not chanting release the hostages.
Is this the talking point now?
Whenever someone says stop bombing children, you immediately criticize them for not saying release the hostages?
It’s implied. A ceasefire gives a chance to negotiate for hostages and for peace.
People are not good with history. Take a gander at how Hamas reacted with literally every ceasefire in the past. What happens when there’s a ceasefire and Hamas strikes in the middle of it and more people die. What will people chant then? “We are sorry you got killed”?
do you have evidence? :o
Here’s a list. I know next comment is going to be “but but but IDF source”. You have the dates, google them. And that’s 2014 only. You can look up 2018. as well.
thank you!
You are welcome. I wish ceasefire would be used to humanitarian effort but it’s not.
how do you personally deal with those who just handwave evidence away?
You don’t gotta look far, actually. I know I’m probably simplifying it a little but the 7th of October is the latest time Hamas broke a ceasefire.
huh wonder why you’re downvoted. i mean that is what happened.
Good question! (Insert X variant online mob) someone prolly just didn’t like the answer. Some folks like rooting for the underdog so much they’ll do it even if its a literal terrorist organization.
It’s very much so not implied.
A ceasefire does nothing to stop Hamas from existing, it literally helps those piece of shit terrorists to regroup and settle in with more human shields.
