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      Israel isn’t all Jews, doesn’t represent all Jews, and it’s legit antisemitic to say that it is.

      You are the one sounding antisemitic.

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          The state of Israel is a genocidal ethnostate, that is the context for the tensions. Israel kills way more Palestinian civilians every day, and has been long before October 7. Before the European colony arrived, Jews, Christians and Muslims co-existed in Palestine.

          For the same reason that it was Islamaphobic for the US to invade Iraq, it is antisemitic for you to say “death to Israel”

          This is a bit of a nonsequiter. The US is islamaphobic, and the Iraq invasion was criminal, informed by chauvanism, orientalism, and islamophobia, but it’s hardly the equivalent of an occupied people resisting that occupation.

          May they all be free from the river to the sea someday.

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              state of Israel is a genocidal ethnostate

              You’re now admitting that Israel is a Jewish state despite trying to claim otherwise for this entire thread.

              I’ve only responded to you a couple times, and all I said is that Israel is not all jews, does not speak for all jews, and is a genocidal ethnostate.

              Saying death to an ethnostate does not mean death to the people in it, same as death to america doesn’t literally mean all americans should die.

              This isn’t that hard.

              Israel kills way more Palestinian civilians every day

              Two wrongs don’t make a right. Israel is doing horrible things, but it doesn’t deflect from the fact that “death to Israel” is antisemitic.

              One of those parties is a colonial occupier, the other an occupied people resisting state violence. I can support one and not the other.

              You’ve taken this argument far away from “death to Israel” not being antisemitic because you’re trying to argue that Palestine should exist. I’m not saying it shouldn’t, but it doesn’t make you not antisemitic.

              Death to Israel is not antisemetic, because despite the europeans wrapping it in the trappings of jewishness, it isn’t all jews, doesn’t speak for all jews.

              Israel systematically disenfranchises non-jews and sterilizes non-white jews.

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                  Fake ass settler state getting defended by the bigger fake ass settler state.

                  Occupied people can resist occupation by any means necessary.

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                  You’re mad at Israel because of those Jews, but not the Jews you like? This was common Nazi apologist rhetoric under Hitler.

                  I’m mad at Israel because of the genocide it is predicated on.

                  Non white Jews have been sterilized there, it’s got far more in common with the Nazis than any other state besides America

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      Comparing the hamas attack to the holocaust is like comparing an indigenous people’s raid of settler encampments to the holocaust. It is wildly inappropriate and ignores the difference in power between Jewish people under the nazis and Jewish people in a White Jewish ethnostate

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          This part of the post

          the Holocaust of 6 million Jews and the recent terror attack that killed and took hostages of hundreds of Israeli civilians.

          Makes it sound like you think they’re of similar themes. Theyre not. One was a wholesale slaughter of an oppressed minority, the other was anticolonial violence directed at settlers.

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              Both involve the killing of innocent civilians based on their racioethnic group

              This is reductionist. You need to wipe away of the context of a white Jewish supremacist apartheid state vs the context of being scapegoats for the nazis for your position to make sense.

              Also settlers aren’t civilians, settlement is part of an extended military campaign of genocide.

              Yes. Still, they give both context to saying “death to Israel” because they prove that the statement is being used in a violent way.

              Violence is justified against settlers, violence isn’t justified against an oppressed ethnic minority. They are distinct things.

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                  Settlers are humans the same way soldiers are humans and the same way civilians are humans.

                  Bad faith nonsense in defense of settler colonialism, how original