Killing is different than winning. For example, the nazis killed 26 million Soviets, mostly civilians. That is roughly 17 percent of their population. The US killed something like 20 percent of the population of Korea. Both lost.

She could say “most effective” but she said “most lethal”

Good point, thanks for the criticism

I’m not in a swing state and I already vote every year. Stop trying to convince me and go attend a dsa meeting or something

Okay so you’re not willing to do anything unless you, through your personal actions, can stop an entire genocide? Or are you trying to make a different point?

It is more like they’re building more concentration camps and we are voting whether there should be a “in this house” lawnsign out front of each one.

At some point you have to realize that voting within capitalist psuedo-democracy will not get you the results you want, if you care about stopping the construction of the concentration camps.

At some point, you have to realize that the working class is only going to save itself from encroaching fascism by banding together, and not by voting between candidates that will never be allowed to represent our interests.

I’m sympathetic to the idea that Kamala Harris will be better in some ways than Trump, but I dont care enough to really bother examining all sides of the argument, because fascism is a structural issue that will not be resolved through sham elections where people only get options approved by the Capitalist class.

The capitalist class will lead us to fascism if they are not stopped. That is the long and short of it.

If you care about stopping fascism- if you’re willing to put blood sweat and tears into preventing it from happening in the US- you have to join a socialist org and work towards defeating capitalism. Our oppressors will not grant us freedom through their ballot box.

I admit I’m ignorant on the issue, and you seem to know: what are some examples of socialist organizations being the main force in stopping fascism?

WW2. Soviet Union inflicting more than 80 percent of losses + partisans in the Balkans freeing themselves. Italian partisans were also not given credit for their huge role in liberating Italy. Most resistance in fascist territory had a huge socialist contingent. Romania had a socialist movement that pulled off a coup during ww2 as the Soviets were making their push back to Berlin, saving a massive amount of lives.The socialists during the Spanish Civil War, although they were basically just Spanish Republicans + limited soviet aid fighting against half of Spain, and massive German and Italian forces, so they lost.

In Germany, the socialists fought the fascists but the liberals were more willing to form a coalition with the fascists than with the socialists.

And what about the cases of socialist fascism? Is the only remedy a more socialist organization?

Could you define what you mean by this? Because fascism is a specific thing that emerges within capitalism. There is no such thing as socialist fascism, as someone who has done a lot of learning on the history of fascism and socialism.

Don’t give a shit who you vote for but if you want to actually stop fascism you have to go join a socialist org. Liberals are structurally incapable of stopping fascism, as fascism is capitalism in decay and liberals support capitalism as their number 1 priority.

Is this mutually exclusive with your friend’s statement?

Do you care about stopping fascism? Then you must study its history, and come to the understanding that it can only be opposed by socialist organizing.

Go join a socialist org. Vote for whoever you want to but don’t pretend like voting for Kamala Harris will stop the crisis.

To oppose fascism with conviction, you have to build up a socialist project.

Cool, so you want to use trans genocide to justify your position, and you’ll listen to the trans people who agree with you but not to trans people to disagree with you.

This is good ally behavior /s

Don’t give a shit who you vote for but if you want to actually stop fascism you have to go join a socialist org. Liberals are structurally incapable of stopping fascism, as fascism is capitalism in decay and liberals support capitalism as their number 1 priority.

There are no actions available to me that will end the Palestinian genocide.

https://files.catbox.moe/bcu4mt.mp4

These people are part of an organization that does sabotage like this. The last team got fully acquited as the jury refused to convict them.

Yes, genocide is acceptable insofar as I know my actions won’t stop it, and I’m not gambling with the lives of people I care about over “maybe the revolution will stop it eventually” or whatever nonsense you believe will happen.

As capitalism decays fascism becomes a certainty. I would suggest reading “The Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism” which offers a political-economic analysis from the perspective of a German who had access to the semi-internal communications of the capitalist class as capitalism was entering its fascist stage in Germany.

If you aren’t joining a socialist org that is moving toward the abolition of capitalism you’re lying down and accepting fascism will happen.

Stop pretending you don’t have any agency and go join an org.

look at history and tell me how many popular uprisings actually made life better

Cuba, Vietnam, China, USSR, hell even the dprk. Look at life expectancy, literacy, infant and maternal mortality, extreme poverty metrics, worker self management systems, and moving from dictatorship to soviet style proletarian democracy

Most revolutions aren’t actually done by the “plucky group of militiamen,” they are done by government insiders who use leftists to get a W and then boot them out.

All of these revolutions were lead by organizations that didn’t have government insider connections like that.

Trans woman here, stop using the genocide happening against us to wipe your hands of the genocide happening in Gaza

If you actually oppose fascism, you have to join a socialist org. I don’t give a shit who you vote for, but the liberals won’t stop fascism, they structurally can’t.

Hiking, socialist work or socialist socializing, friends, that’s mostly it

The point is that there is a universalizing here of something that isn’t universal

Idk I crush on a lot of folks, I’m also in a long term (polyam) relationship.

Whether or not rejection is a part of life or healthy in the long term it is going to be bad while you’re experiencing it

Why?

when seeing the object of your affection with someone else could arguably be unbecoming since you’ll want the best for them but it’s about ad human as it gets.

I tend to feel compersion over envy

Neither is bad.

You’re describing neo-colonial regimes that werent able to fully leave the imperialist economic structure.

Compare India to Cuba on women’s and lgbt rights

what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc

So the wonderful thing about anti-colonial movements is that even if they start right wing they have to get more left wing as time progresses, simply due to the power dynamics that are created through the process of throwing out the imperialists. Once you stop foreign oppression, you have a grassroots mass of militant and armed revolutionaries that you’re accountable to and who get upset when you try to reproduce the same economic system. You also are tied at the hip to them as the imperialists seek a return to an old system.

This includes movements where there is no significant communist presence, but it happens faster when there are communists.

Luckily, the PLFP is the second biggest party represented in the Palestinian joint operations room and have significant military and political power, meaning that in Palestine it probably will take a lot less time to materialize.

least slightly socially progressive neoliberals? It’s anyone’s guess really. NO. Of course the Dems, fucking obviously.

What are they actually socially progressive on though? They’re still supporting ICE and police state expansion, still doing tough on immigration bullshit, still presiding over migrant concentration camps, still funding and arming Israeli genocide, still rattling the saber at China, still blockading Cuba, not doing anything to protect trans people from genocide, doing exterminationist shit to homeless people in blue cities in blue states,

I could go on but you get the point.

Putting a HRC sticker on doesn’t mean you’re a little bit socially progressive, it means you have a PR team.