Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android@lemdro.id https://lemdro.id/c/android
In respect to you guys modding the original r/Android, I will leave this up, unlocked. But please, don’t make any more new posts here advertising r/Android V2.
Let the games begin I guess.Edit: Please read this.
We didn’t post this one up! I posted on /r/android shortly before bed and felt it would’ve been in bad taste if we had posted here without discussing with you folks first (I also admittedly slept in, as it’s a holiday today for Canada Day Weekend).
I was actually hoping to reach out to you and Mike to see if you’re interested in joining our mod team on !android@lemdro.id. We hope to carry forward the same kind of content philosophy from /r/android prior to our lockdowns, namely discussions and items of collective interest, and avoiding specific, technical support questions that can overtake large communities - and think you both align pretty well with our overall emphasis on keeping it civil and cordial.
For a bit of background on the instance, @cole@lemdro.id has been spending quite some time getting lemdro.id setup and optimized for us with a focus on ensuring backend scalability to handle load. The hope was to have an instance where major tech and other subreddits could feel comfortable moving to, without the significant performance issues that could leave folks with bad first impressions (a number of us were around for the waves of migration from Digg to Reddit).
Folks are currently reaching out to their respective mod teams at other large tech subreddits to see if there’s interest in joining Lemmy as well. We also have a number of developers with us exploring opportunities to contribute code improvements and fill gaps within the Lemmy ecosystem (e.g., accessibility improvements, moderator tools, fighting spam), with at least one bug fix already contributed to the Lemmy Github!
If you and Mike are interested, please do reach out! It would be great to have you both. Given Lemmy doesn’t support group PMs or Modmail, let me know if you want to connect somewhere else - I’m on Telegram, Discord, and Element but would be happy to chat anywhere.
Thank you for clarifying and for the consideration, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out.
Regarding my response earlier, I made that reply on the assumption that it were you guys who put this up as a way to take some users back, which taking a step back now, I see that I was very wrong.
I’ll be making a new mod reply to this post, which should clarify any misunderstandings to prevent new people viewing this post from accidentally making the same assumption I have made.
If you need to contact me, shoot me a DM and I can share my Telegram details there :)
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate the candour and respectful response here. I confess I was initially miffed that somebody would promote a ‘competing’ c here, but I quickly realised I’m not interested in rivalries here. Life’s busy enough as it is!
I think we’re doing pretty well here, but the idea of an instance dedicated to tech is appealing. Happy to chat about it. I’m @mikestevens on Telegram.
Why shouldn’t they do “r/Android V2” posts? Is android@lemmy.world “The Android community”? Are we going to put a non-compete rule in writing or spirit for this community? How tone-deaf would this be in the current Reddit upheaval context? The Fediverse is literally about anti-monopilization. !android@lemmy.world just so happens to be one community named “Android” among others on other instances. It also happens to be on the largest instance for now. But a successful, large community doesn’t have to be on the largest instance. That’s not how federation works. Ultimately all of us users check the number of user subs before we subscribe or we just sub to all. Being the first to register this community on this instance isn’t what’s gonna determine that. Whichever “The Android community” becomes on Lemmy, it requires moderation work and likely that will determine the final result. If the /r/Android mods want to tell us where the new version of it is, they can do that in a lot more channels than "!android@lemmy.world”, like the various tech or Reddit related communities across the instances. Someone posting this here shouldn’t trigger any special feelings in my opinion as it’s no different or significantly more influential. The battle for creating a Reddit alternative is much bigger one than who’s gonna claim they own this or that piece of land. So I’d welcome every free labor team (mod teams) from Reddit to Lemmy and help them get started even if it means that I have to cede some space. We supported these folks during the blackouts, why should we stop doing so when they decided to migrate? Isn’t that the logical continuation of the same events?
Update on the post This post was not made by the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id. This was made by a fellow fan of r/Android and was not made to siphon/steal users as I and many others have incorrectly assumed, so please don’t attack the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id as they don’t mean any harm!
Sorry for the late reply (I had not checked Lemmy for a while).
I am just an Android enthusiast and not affiliated with r/Android in any capacity. I genuinely failed to realise that it might be inappropriate and disrespectful towards your community to post this here. I saw the announcement in r/Android and got excited. I should have posted this in other relevent communities.
Apologies for any inconvenience or offense that I may have caused.
It’s all good :)
Libreddit link: https://libreddit.domain.glass/r/Android/comments/14p8vb7/were_now_also_on_the_fediverse/
Also, subscribed!
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Great, subscribed.
About time! 🙌
“Feels like old time already”
HELL YEAH!
Good move guys! Enjoy you stay here! 🎉🎉
Read the room, it’s not a “good move”, it’s a dick move against
!android@lemmy.worldmods who built this community when r/Android was radio silent about us and never helped, it’s disrespectful. It’s only now after they saw Redditors migrating to Lemmy that they thought they should join too, but only by launching a tiny duplicate community because it hurts their ego to let go of their mod positions and join an already established Android community. What adds insult to injury is that they come here and astroturf as if!android@lemmy.worlddoesn’t exist, hoping to absorb its users.Yea, I mean, if you’re a mod, go apply to be one at the new community. I think a lot of new communities would welcome the experience the vet mods have.
I modded a country sub and it’s not my business to tell the sub where to go and when to go. It’s their community, they make the decision themselves.
My impression of Reddit and Reddit mods was that everyone was inexperienced, childlike, and toxic. Lemmy, so far, seems like a more mature audience. I rather like the Reddit subreddits moving to their own community, separate from what has been created in Lemmy already. I do not wish to have the Reddit experience over here. I stopped using Reddit for a reason.
Can you explain what the controversy is about? So the /r/Android mods tried to start an Android community on the fediverse but other people got to them first? How are they astroturfing?
- r/Android never mentioned Lemmy before when they could have made use of the blackout to introduce people to Lemmy;
- never mentioned nor helped !android@lemmy.world, and instead preferred to launch a tiny community much later on with the exact same goals and content just so that they can preserve their imaginary mod “powers”;
- waited until !android@lemmy.world grew sufficiently big and until the fear of missing out kicked in, and then decided to advertise inside this community for there being “finally” an Android community on the Fediverse, still completely gaslighting !android@lemmy.world here and on r/Android;
- the low effort advertisement in OP’s post acting as if we’re not already on a much larger and well-established Android community:
Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android@lemdro.id https://lemdro.id/c/android
Hey there, I just wanted to quickly mention that /r/Android mods didn’t make the submission here and we wouldn’t have! OP seems to have gotten that description from the !android@lemdro.id sidebar. In case you’re interested, I posted a bit more context above.
They still get to moderate /r/android. In the old times of discrete message board communities, there were various Android message board communities before everything started coalescing around Reddit. It’s impossible to have an opportunity to moderate every single community. If they want to create their own duplicate community, they are free to do so.
they are free to do so
I never denied this, but the way it’s done here is simply disrespectful to !android@lemmy.world’s mods and the early members who grew this community together while r/Android mods ignored them.
Eh, I can see that, but the whole point of the fediverse is to get away from centralization, right? I think it’s a good thing they are promoting their own instance on Lemmy. Only issue is that for right now at least - all of the instances look the same…
Again what we’re talking about here is mods who were radio silent about building backup communities on Lemmy since the Reddit blackout began, leaving users to figure shit out themselves on Lemmy. Reddit mods sit around and wait. After 3 weeks they see that Lemmy actually succeeded and many big communities got established. Reddit mods with their sense of entitlement then come here and say “okay peasants we appreciate what you did, now that you’re already on the lemmyverse come join us here where we still have our mod powers”.
It has nothing to do with decentralization. It’s the disrespect that they’re openly showing.
Nah. The Android subreddit mods are so toxic. They banned me for preferring a Google Pixel.
Hope their instance fails, to be honest. They can die with Reddit. Power tripping assholes.
So we have separate Android communities running on separate instances. I can’t see how this community splintering can be a good thing.
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As time goes one community will emerge as the main one while other would dry up and naturally become obsolete (until people get angry with the mods of main one and start looking for alternative community, similar to how there are r/truegaming, r/true(x) etc for popular subreddits.)
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There are many open PRs on lemmy github on how to aggregate similar communities. For example there is a suggestion of making an auto multireddit like thing, m/gaming for example, that would merge posts from every c/gaming community (not sure how this would work with defederation and stuff). With enough demand, something like that can be added to lemmy by an experienced dev.
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Things like defederation and having communities with the same topic on different instances are actually good things, they’re features of the Fediverse not problems.
It takes a bit of adapting to the Fediverse mindset as opposed to the centralized platform mindset but there are solutions:
- Having multiple communities like OP said is a good thing, let’s see which one rises to the top.
- There are already Lemmy clients that can subscribe to accounts on multiple instances and merge everything seamlessly for you.
- A multireddit-like feature will probably be implemented eventually, and I suspect it will also be a client feature not a server feature, because it makes much more sense on the client.
The beehaw and world defederation (which I assume you are referencing) is temporary because beehaw believes the increased traffic cannot be moderated without proper mod tools.
And while you’re right about mainstream things like gaming or technology won’t have a single main community, I feel more niche communities will be able to setup their main communities. Obviouly that’s just my opinion, but there are some signs of that happening already. (c/piracy for example)
Given instances can get defederated because of one sublemmy… pressing big X to doubt on that
sublemmy
Man, I hope that doesn’t catch on.
Okay, it is a stupid name, I admit. Better alternative?
Lemmy already calls it a community. It’s all over the UI, code, everything. Why call it something else?
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It’s just like having different subreddits about the same topic. Just subscribe to both.
I think what he meant is why launch a second exact same community, with merely 300 subscribers, when there’s already an established one like !android@lemmy.world which has now more than 15k subscribers? I noticed that behavior with the r/neovim mods too, they refused to join an existing community. My guess is simply that they want to be in a community where they are still in charge of everything, they’re too addicted to their mod “powers” to let go of them.
Back to OP, I think the whole thread and the way r/Android mods just hoped to absorb users of this community is completely inappropriate and simply disrespectful.
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But they’re the same topic, so there’s a good chance there’s gonna be repeated content across both. Particularly if not everyone is subscribed to all instances.
I’m subscribing to both, but will be interesting to see how duplicate content across instances are federated in the future.
If two of the same topic is posted, the one in the instance with more people will be higher on the active list than the other, so if you’re subbed to both, you’ll see that one first and interact with it. I’ve seen duplicate topics across several of my subs on Reddit regularly.
Are there any Lemmy clients that support viewing multi-communities? For example, I’d prefer viewing all posts for all instances of Android over the combined subscribed list.
I thought that was built in to all Lemmy clients. All non-home instances I’m subscribed to are presented as @instance because the instance location is just as important as the sub’s name.
Just to clarify, I don’t want to view all of the content from my subscribed communities in a single view. I want to be able to tap on something like Android and then only view the content from all instances with the same community name that I’m subscribed to.
I wouldn’t even want it restricted to the same community name, make it customizable. I’d love to be able to set up Android and FossDroid on the same feed for example. Or all the different selfhosted/homelab/datahoarders/etc. communities.
I get your point but there is a good solution for this.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
Basically a feature request to have the option for multi subreddits or communities. This way we get centralized content without the disadvantages of decentralization.
Don’t like the direction of one? You get options. Like them both? Subscribe to both. It’s like getting Gamers Nexus and LTT, different perspective but overlapping community.
Doesn’t seem to have federated with Kbin just yet. :(
Bit late, but I can confirm it has now. Federation takes a while, lemmy was updating stuff, kbin was updating stuff.
I faced the same issue with other new communities as well and I think it’s because of the new lemmy version 0.18? and it’ll be fixed
It doesn’t look to be 0.18.0 (.1 is supposed to not have issues anymore iirc, that’s why I’m specifying .0).
This command was brought up in regards to the lemmy.ml issue:
curl -I --user-agent "kbinBot v0.1" https://lemmy.ml/u/testWhen the lemmy.ml is replaced with any instance running 0.18.0, it’ll give an OK response. With lemmy.ml it gives a Forbidden response.
But with lemdro.id I get an Internal Server Error.
The instance claims to be super fast, maybe they forked and optimized the code and broke federation in the process?
Edit: Also they’re on 0.18.1 anyway, so yeah, it’s not the usual issues.
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So, if I’m understanding correctly… the mods from reddit, started their own instance are are trying to siphon users over to that?
I don’t think this thread was created by one of them — the creator of this thread isn’t listed as a mod over there.
Like @Devgard I was tempted to lock or delete this thread — I feel like it’s a bit of a shitty thing to post — but it’s pretty clear from the upvotes that most people are excited for it. So… Whatever will be, will be!
Meh. For me, this community replaces r/android. No thanks you.
You know, you can join both lol
Yeah but… It just feels weird that the Reddit mods came blasting here as if they were the true Android representatives from Google.
Same for me! 😁
Yeah, I feel like they’re a little late to the party. They should have had this ready to go once they decided they were going to prolong their protest.
The link for those on kbin: https://kbin.social/m/android@lemmy.world
That’s the link for the lemmy.world instance, but the android community seems to have launched their own instance at https://lemdro.id. That one seems to have trouble federating with us.
r/android
communitymodsFixed.
I think it’s worth linking to this reminder: https://lemmy.world/post/323205
this is the way
I was part of that subreddit and welcome them to the Fediverse. But I’m in kbin and my efforts to join them are not working. Hope there is a fix for this soon.
Side question: Is there a website with a list of all interest/communities and its address so we could just search that website and add all the sites we wanted to kbin?
https://lemmyverse.net/communities Once you go to the site on the top right there’s an icon of a house click it and set your local instance. From there you’re free to search all communities by name and by instance location and once you click on them it will open using your local instance automatically. From there you simply have to subscribe
Thanks, this was very helpful!
