• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    Could it be because of never-ending attacks against civilians because they lost multiple wars yet refuse to negotiate for a viable peace?

    Nah, must be because the Jews are mean. 🙄

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      yet refuse to negotiate for a viable piece?

      Look at any colonized people who have made peace on their colonizer’s terms for why they might not want to do that.

      Let’s see here, just off the top of my head:

      Native Americans, Native Australians, Native South Africans.

      To be fair, Palestine already resembles the reservations and slums the native people I mentioned have been forced into by their colonizers.

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        I feel like you are missing the line between fighting for their freedom, and publicly raping innocent concert goers to death a bit, though. I completely understand them lashing out. I will never understand the targets that they chose to lash out at. It’s not smart from a strategic standpoint, even.

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          I’m not missing any line.

          That’s just the realities of war.

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              It’s never bothered me tbh, that’s an American thing. Never heard of it until I visited

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                Yeah, I worked at an Irish bar for a while and we had a couple guys from Donegal that would go in on drunk college kids about it. Really the only anecdotes I have on the situation, though.

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                  Donegal is a border county, likely to be closer to home. Personally it took me being in Chicago and someone talking about it for it to click with me, I just thought you guys had weird names for things

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        Well if you stick to that braindead logic to justify terrorism you’re just going to get bombed with no support from modern nations.

        When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.

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          When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.

          So, to be clear here, you are condemning Israel here, correct? The ones who are actually perpetuating a genocide?

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            Sure if you count defending yourself from genocide as genocide also.

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              Israel started the genocide. For that matter, they have a long history of starting fights with their neighbors. Sometimes it works out for them, and sometimes it doesn’t, but the common theme is they always blame it on people wanting to genocide the Jews. Only idiots still fall for that shit.

              Lucky for them, they have powerful allies that cover for them and drag their asses out of the fire each time. But public opinion is slowly changing, and at some point it’s going to tip and Israel is going to pick a fight where nobody comes to their rescue. When that happens, I hope I’m around to appreciate them receiving their just rewards for being truly inhuman monsters.

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                “For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews’ return here impossible”

                “The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony” -Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule

                This is how the Jews were treated when the shoe was on the other foot, when Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed by Jordan, (A belligerent fighting for the Palestinians against Israel in 1948,) it was immediately ethnically cleansed:

                In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and in 1954 granted Jordanian nationality to its non-Jewish residents who had been Palestinian nationals before 15 May 1948. During the nineteen years of Jordanian rule in the West Bank, a third of the Jewish Quarter’s buildings were demolished. According to a complaint Israel made to the United Nations, all but one of the thirty-five Jewish houses of worship in the Old City were destroyed. The synagogues were razed or pillaged and stripped and their interiors used as hen-houses or stables.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Jordan#Jordan_relations_with_Israel

                Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.

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                Israel started the genocide.

                Uh oh. Not this argument. I hate this argument because it never ends. Israel started it. Actually Palestine started it. Actually Israel started it. Actually the Arab League started it. Actually Israel started it. Actually the Ottomans started it. Actually British started it. Actually France started it. Actually Russia started it. So on and so forth–this land is mine, blah blah blah.

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                It started when all of the muslim nations surrounding Israel declared war on them multiple times over 60 years, and Jewish ethnic cleansing of the holy land was always the main justification. Denying such basic history just makes you look obtuse and/or uneducated.

                If you think the west is going to turn its back on Isreal fighting a literal terrorist organization you’re delusional. The only way any of this ends is if Muslims just accept that Isreal is not going anywhere and proper permanent land borders are made. Continuing to fight that just causes endless suffering for everyone involved.

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                  That’s funny, because Israel has also invaded Muslim countries on multiple occasions, and even conspired with Western powers to invade their neighbors. Wars which caused controversy in those Western nations, but not towards Israel, because if you criticize Israel you’re suddenly a nazi. Despite the fact that Israeli government officials have clearly spoken out on social media many times saying that their goal is the elimination of Arabs and Muslims in Palestine.

                  I have no sympathy for Israel. Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands, and every one of them that died is one less oppressor of the Palestinian people. The latest polls show public support in the US for Israel is dropping. One day, the scales will tip, and the cash and weapon flow to those murderers will stop. And then all the sins of Israel will come back to haunt them.

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                    Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands

                    It’s pretty fucking wild that your brain can hold that thought…that 1400 Israelis were somehow complicit in their own murder…and also the thought that the Gazans are nothing but sweet, innocent victims without any agency.

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                    You’re straight up delusional if you think Isreal is going to be defeated at this point, hell look at the Yom Kippur war being the biggest underdog ass kicking in modern history. You’re even more so if you think the west is increasing sympathy for Radical Muslims.

                    If you think terrorism is going to defeat Israel it’s just going to result in Palestine ceasing to exist.