• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    16 hours ago

    I’ve encountered people disagreeing with ASD ending with D

    But shouldn’t it though? According to Webster on disorder:

    an abnormal physical or mental condition

    And abnormal:

    deviating from the normal or average

    So something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average, and in many cases a cause of distress or discomfort. Not all disorders need to be fixed, they can often be treated by simply accepting them and working around any issues it causes.

    The problem here has nothing to do with definitions though, it has to do with harassment and intolerance. Whether being LGBTQ+ or on the autism spectrum is a disorder or not is completely irrelevant, what matters is how we treat each other. If you’re harassing another person, you’re in the wrong, regardless of what the other person is, has, or has done.

    Again, let’s go back to Webster about “harass”:

    to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

    The law (largely irrelevant in SM though, up to a certain point) defines harassment as having real damages and intent to inflict harm. If you say being LGBTQ+ is a mental illness because you know it’ll cause harm, then you’re guilty of harassment and should be ejected from the platform. If you say it because it’s topically relevant and you’re not intending to cause harm but it happens, then I argue you aren’t guilty of harassment (and you should probably apologize).

    The real issue here is intended and actual impact of statements. It doesn’t matter if your speech is factual, what matters is the intent and the result of that speech.

    I’m not a psychologist, psychiatrist, or any form of therapist, so I’m not going to take a hard stance on whether any given thing is a disorder or not, I’m going to stick to answering my above questions. And in my case, accepting LGBTQ+ and people on the autism spectrum costs me exactly nothing and helps improve outcomes for them. So why shouldn’t I do that? What harm could possibly come from me being nice?

    • ZiemekZ@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      6 hours ago

      So something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average, and in many cases a cause of distress or discomfort.

      Being left-handed is different from average and causes discomfort when using right-handed tools. Would you call left-handedness a disorder?

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      15 hours ago

      something being labeled a “disorder” doesn’t mean it’s “bad,” it just means it’s different from average

      That’s until you start talking about “treatment”, at which point you’re discussing how to mitigate or correct the “disorder”.

      And that gets you to Conversation Therapy, which is just medicalized torture.

      The end game of “Transgenderism is a disorder” amounts to Gitmo for Trans People.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        15 hours ago

        Conversation Therapy

        Ironically, this typo is exactly the therapy LGBTQ+ people need, and probably the therapy that works least well for people on the autism spectrum.

        There are a lot of treatments available. For LGBTQ+, the best treatment is probably social acceptance, followed closely by body modification. For people on the autism spectrum, it’s finding a lifestyle that plays to their strengths rather than expects them to conform to whatever is “normal.”

        The problem isn’t with definitions, but intolerance. Certain groups refuse to acknowledge that there’s more than one way to solve a given problem, and that more effective and compassionate solutions are valid. If we assume that, for example, homosexuality is a “disorder,” two possible treatments are:

        • remove the gay
        • embrace the gay

        I’m not even sure the first is possible, but the second is absolutely effective. Why default to the harder, unproven option when the second is so effective? The problem here isn’t definitions, but intolerance, but unfortunately tolerance is much harder achieve and changing words is relatively easy.