Police could lawfully use bulk surveillance techniques to access messages from encrypted communications platforms such as WhatsApp and Signal, following a ruling by the UK’s Investigatory Powers Tribunal (IPT), a court has heard.
For privacy, I guess OMEMO is the current gold standard regarding XMPP; however, agreeing on a feature set between clients apart from the most basic stuff wasn’t always easy (and I guess it still isn’t).
Also, I guess XML has fallen out of style for this kind of use case. Matrix is just JSON over REST, which I guess is kind of nice nowadays?
XML kind of suffers the jack of all trades curse. If you just have two sides exchanging messages using a well-defined protocol, why go for something that offers schema definition, DTD, XSL transformation? These come with costs, and if you don’t use them, why XML in the first place?
All of this combined with the fact that the communication model of XMPP and Matrix is different - XMPP closer to email where a server relays messages between clients while in Matrix, everything is a synchronized (?) room, even direct messages between two participants - would have required bending or extending the spec so much that it wouldn’t have been XMPP in the original spirit anyways. So instead, a new protocol was designed that incorporated a lot of lessons learned in the decade before it.
You’re free to continue using XMPP, after all, bridges exist.
They’ve said that they release the source code after it’s running in production:
sorry the source for one of our services was so far behind. We often don’t push source until we release things, and there were a few overlapping releases that happened in that period which made it awkward to push at any moment and put us behind. Additionally, we’ve seen a large increase in spam, and a reluctance to immediately publish the exact anti-spam measures we were responding with to a place where spammers could immediately see them combined with the above to cause this extreme delay.
There’s a grain of truth in the claim: We don’t know for sure if the original open source version is actually running on the server.
Isn’t that true of all server side FOSS?
Yes. We just have to trust them. Or selfhost, which I’m doing with almost everything.
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Why not use eg. Matrix then?
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XMPP as defined where?
For privacy, I guess OMEMO is the current gold standard regarding XMPP; however, agreeing on a feature set between clients apart from the most basic stuff wasn’t always easy (and I guess it still isn’t).
Also, I guess XML has fallen out of style for this kind of use case. Matrix is just JSON over REST, which I guess is kind of nice nowadays?
XML kind of suffers the jack of all trades curse. If you just have two sides exchanging messages using a well-defined protocol, why go for something that offers schema definition, DTD, XSL transformation? These come with costs, and if you don’t use them, why XML in the first place?
All of this combined with the fact that the communication model of XMPP and Matrix is different - XMPP closer to email where a server relays messages between clients while in Matrix, everything is a synchronized (?) room, even direct messages between two participants - would have required bending or extending the spec so much that it wouldn’t have been XMPP in the original spirit anyways. So instead, a new protocol was designed that incorporated a lot of lessons learned in the decade before it.
You’re free to continue using XMPP, after all, bridges exist.
XMPP was doing great until Google and Meta EEE’d it, but it’s still alive and well.
They’ve said that they release the source code after it’s running in production:
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/11101#issuecomment-815400676