Adding to the mountain of evidence that Israel is engaged in a genocidal war on the Gaza Strip, Al Jazeera on Thursday aired footage of what the news outlet reported was an Israeli drone targeting four Palestinians in Khan Younis last month.

Those killed by the unmanned aerial vehicle in the rubble of the southern Gaza city appear to be unarmed teenagers or young men. According to a translation of the coverage, they were not identified in the reporting.

Tariq Kenney-Shawa, Al-Shabaka’s U.S. policy fellow, said: “This is among the worst footage I’ve seen. Not only were these boys clearly unarmed and present no threat whatsoever, but they were struck multiple times even after stumbling/crawling away. There is no way they could have been considered combatants. This is unreal.”

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    Hi, resident American combat vet here. This is egregious by any standard but a genocidal regime. It’s a pretty clear rule, if they aren’t armed or uniformed, you don’t shoot them.

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      If it were like that, it wouldn’t be as bad. But internet is full of videos proving otherwise, USA soldiers included.

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        Oh? There are videos of US soldiers shooting civilians just walking around without guns and in civilian clothes?

        Please send them to the Pentagon and NYT. There’s some people who would be very interested in them.

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          There are. See “collateral murder” or the guy we literally prosecuted for this which Trump pardoned. We also kicked down a lot of doors and dropped a lot of missiles on slim intelligence knowing we were killing hundreds of thousands of innocents in aggregate. None of this info is secret. We kidnapped people in Iraq and tortured them to give up names of their confederates and kicked down doors and murdered people based on this intelligence. See the Salem witch trials for why this method of intelligence gathering isn’t worth shit.

          At one point we dropped missiles on people purely based correlating data about sim card usage to speculate on who was associating with terrorists in a program we now know is mathematically impossible to have been accurate.

          Not only do we have hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths on our hands directly there is all the indirect harm we are responsible for by supporting bad actors.

          None of this justifies anyone else’s bad acts. You just ought to be more aware.

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            The collateral murder video is sold without context. The Army’s report has pictures of the RPGs on the ground.

            Trump had to pardon that guy because the military was going to put him in prison.

            None of this is a culture so reckless we’re just bombing random civilians walking down the road. Even the torture had to be kept secret from everyone else and resulted in court martials until it was just completely removed from the normal military.

            We’ve certainly had our problems but at the end of the day the difference is we at least try to have accountability. We keep fighting against war criminals and forcing them to find other ways to work.

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              What kind of accountability do we have where even the few people punished for the direct crimes are let off

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                We absolutely put war criminals in prison before Trump, and we will again. One high profile shit stain doesn’t invalidate over a decade of prosecuting war crimes.

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            And the US Army released the investigation done that day. There were RPGs on the ground there. There was also a pattern of attacks going on with that unit and kneeling around the wall isn’t how any reporter I ever met overseas took a photo. Hell half the time they waved at us to make sure we knew they were there.

            It sucks that the Reuters guys embedded with anti coalition forces, but it’s a risk just like embedding with us was.

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              So now you trust US army for analyzing their own footage, but not IDFs analysis of their own.

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                The IDF hasn’t earned it.

                They blew up a group of reporters standing in the open, clearly marked, with nothing else around them.

                They refuse to let Gazans evacuate the combat area through their lines.

                There are multiple cases of them shooting unarmed civilians. Including their own hostages.

                And they refuse to either let aid agencies do their job or to provide that aid themselves, fomenting a famine.

                There has been zero accountability for any of the war crimes above.

                Also, the US Army didn’t just release a puff piece statement. They declassified their on the ground investigation that was done as a routine matter right after the engagement. When I say pictures of the RPGs, I don’t mean video stills to argue over. I mean actual pictures taken by soldiers.

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                  They blew up a group of reporters standing in the open, clearly marked, with nothing else around them.

                  So did USA, multiple times. Link. You don’t even have to search hard to find it.

                  They refuse to let Gazans evacuate the combat area through their lines.

                  There was a humanitarian corridor before. Not sure why there isn’t one now. But claiming they won’t let them pass is not really true since they did let them pass.

                  There are multiple cases of them shooting unarmed civilians. Including their own hostages.

                  Same with USA, see Collateral Murder leaks page on WikiLeaks. Direct video link

                  And they refuse to either let aid agencies do their job or to provide that aid themselves, fomenting a famine.

                  I’ve never seen this. From the news I read, aid is going in there but civilians are being beaten by Hamas and stolen supplies from. There were also reports of shooting at people getting the aid because IDF soldiers were afraid of stampede. So either people are getting aid and getting shot at or not.

                  Edit: As claimed by COGAT, there’s no issues for aid to get to the people. UNRWA is not allowed though due to their ties to Hamas.

                  There has been zero accountability for any of the war crimes above.

                  Even if there is to be accountability, it won’t come now but long after the war. And it’s nothing new for any guilty party never to get condemned for anything. USA did it number of times, China does it all the time, etc. Hell even NATO bombed refugee convoy in Serbia killing thousands of civilians without armed escort and nothing. This is nothing strange. Rules for the big countries are not the same as for smaller countries.

                  Also, the US Army didn’t just release a puff piece statement. They declassified their on the ground investigation that was done as a routine matter right after the engagement.

                  Actually no. They did cover up things multiple times. Also many videos leaked, which is the reason why Julian Assange is a wanted man across the globe as is Edward Snowden. You think they are hiding abroad in countries who oppose USA because they expect fair legal process? No, they will be swallowed by the darkness the moment they enter any country allied with USA.

                  Also let us not forget that in Iraq, at peak there were 29k civilian deaths per year. PER YEAR. And war went on for 6 years. So where are calls for genocide there?

                  As far as I can see you guys are picking favorites and turning blind eye. While pointing fingers at others.

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                    Every international aid NGO out there is saying Israel isn’t letting in enough food. But you’re going to cite a puff statement from Israel on Twitter? That dog doesn’t hunt.

                    And I feel for that reporter but his facts don’t align with reality. That’s a story I’ve seen in a lot of people with moral injury PTSD. If you convince yourself the facts are different then you can get some relief. It does not however change the meaning of words or the actions of the group the reporters were in.

                    It’s also a far sight from shooting unarmed civilians who are just walking.