• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    Zionism is toast. It’ll shamble along for a while because it has so much inertia, but there’s no viable project anymore.

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        Public buy-in did matter, that’s why they’ve wasted so much money and effort and credibility on trying to brainwash people to become Israel supporters. It’s why the Ellison brothers are buying up all of our media. They wouldn’t bother if it didn’t matter.

        But it’s too late. We’ve reached a tipping point and there’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

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        Yeah they certainly underestimate the number of Democrats that are willing to vote for servants of Israel that have no problem with genocide, but that think they have the moral high ground.

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      Zionists are doing what they’ve done since the Bronze Age, regardless of whether semitic DNA or European DNA. Unless both groups of Zionists, plus white Christians are genocide, in the United States and everywhere else, I hardly see Zionism being “toast.”

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        Not really. Zionists are doing what they’ve done since the first Crusade, because that’s where the roots of settler colonialism come from and what the function of Israel actually is for white Christians. Bronze age conquest was very different, when you got conquered by Greeks the only thing that really changed was who you pay taxes to, what trading markets you participate in, and whose laws you follow. The genocidal settler project is actually more modern.

        This attempt to root Zionism in ancient history is actually Zionist historical revisionism.

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          The more that I learn about the Crusades, the more similarities that I see between them and the Herzlian occupation of Palestine. The parallels are almost shocking.

          In embarking on the First Crusade, Pope Urban II aimed for the displacement of all Turks, pagans (including Muslims), and non-Latin Christians. The stated purpose of such mass displacement was to purify the Holy Land and make it suitable for Latin stewardship.⁴⁴ Perhaps given the spiritual significance of the Holy Land, this policy’s overtly sectarian nature was not condemned as forced conversion unlike Castilian settlement. Despite no universal policy of either ethnic cleansing or mass conversion, both did occur in the Latin Kingdom on a localized scale.⁴⁵

          Major cities along the Syrian and Palestinian coast were often the sights of devastating massacres, where crusaders targeted Muslims and Jews specifically. Jews and Muslims were also forbidden from residing in Jerusalem during Frankish rule. Much like Castilian settlement, Frankish rural settlements were also established in depopulated areas, though this displacement was the result of locals fleeing violence during wartime rather than a concerted, organized effort after the fact.

          The deficit of European settlement in the Latin Kingdom necessitated the preservation of local populations where possible, however settlements in depopulated areas were nevertheless established.

          (Emphasis added. Source.)

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          This attempt to root Zionism in ancient history is actually Zionist historical revisionism.

          😬 I get your point, and it was poor phrasing. My point is Israel was rooted in conquest,

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        It’s reality. Already, population growth in Israel is negative. Without Jewish population growth there’s no settler project, they simply can’t get people to come to their shitty ethnostate anymore and people are trying to flee (even as Israel implements controls to keep people trapped). Combine that with public sentiment turning against Israel in both parties and there’s no future for Zionism.