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  • I wouldn’t call it a matter of need. While I want to see Lemmy grow, I don’t think that we should rely on outrage on another platform to drive our own activity in the long term. While the number of users joining has slowed down, it certainly hasn’t halted.

    All we can do is make Lemmy as solid and enticing of a platform as possible, and leave those on Reddit to choose between supporting a platform they don’t like and leaving. We shouldn’t be responsible for forcing their hand, but we should be responsible for maintaining a healthy community here.

    I think even something like a indie video game developer hosting a forum on Lemmy instead of Reddit would do wonders for making Lemmy “mainstream”. Or even a youtuber, streamer, or some other content creator at that. But of course, it’s not something I’d go out of my way to do; just something that I think will happen in due time.


  • Honestly, a pretty valid take, all things considered. I can see why many people would find the headline outrageous, but reading through the article, I think it’s a message that a lot of people do need to hear. And I think everyone should read what OP is conveying before jumping to conclusions.

    I’ve seen people on Lemmy with mixed opinions on how Lemmy and the Fediverse should be treated. Some want to expand Lemmy and siphon off as many users from Reddit, while others want to keep the gates tight. Some want Lemmy to remain a small, niche community for enthusiasts, while others want the Fediverse to be a new paradigm for the maintstream internet.

    I agree, that Fediverse platforms built up with donations and little to no profit incentive will likely remain dwarfed compared to the tech giants that can afford to give the public the high-end, high-production social media they ultimately prefer. As OP said, that’s okay. The fediverse can remain a viable alternative, even if it doesn’t become the new #1.

    I think this is a message people should hear if they think Lemmy has the potential to outright eclipse Reddit at the moment, or think the Fediverse will take over the entirety of the internet and give the top tech companies a run for their money in doing so.


  • Multiple distros and instances are a double edged sword. It isn’t as basic as having one site like Reddit or one OS like Windows, but has the advantage of not being at the mercy of one company like Reddit Inc or Microsoft, should they push some change people don’t like. These distros/instances allow for individuals to tailor their experience however they want without having to beg the developers or admins to listen to them.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If you want to avoid the shitshow happening on Reddit now, you may have to make things too complicated for the “average grandma” to understand. That’s just how shit works.

    Who the fuck cares about instances and whatnot when an average grandma just wants to make a post on knitting in a supportive community?

    To put it simply, who the fuck cares about the average grandma when we want a forum that won’t turn into Reddit in the next decade?

    At some point, I’m sick and tired of this notion that everything on the internet has to be simplified for the lowest common denominator. Lemmy isn’t hard to get a handle on. Either people learn how to use it, or they miss out. We can streamline the process as much as possible, but not to the extent of compromising on what makes federation valuable.



  • 21 yo software dev here, so not quite older, but I’d say I fit the tech nerd bill lmao

    While a lot of people are conscious about the software they use, I think being involved in tech, either as a hobby or career, ups the chance that a person will care about things like user privacy, how an app is run, algorithms that might manipulate the user, or even how technologically literate the rest of the community is

    And that isn’t to be condescending towards people who are more apathetic about it. It’s like how a doctor might be more behooved to eat healthy; when you’ve seen and studied what can go wrong, you’re more compelled to avoid it


  • after making open projects struggle to keep up, they’ll drop it and kill the rest of the network in the process.

    But are we trying to keep up? Lemmy as we know it is composed of instances run by small groups, with nowhere near the same backing that the biggest tech companies have. Meta, Reddit, whoever the company is- they can advertise, promote, bribe, and do whatever they want to boost their numbers.

    I don’t think it would kill the network. As long as instances like these remain honest and working, with a dedicated following, people who want to escape Meta will have somewhere to go.

    And as @Ignacio said in this thread, it’s the users fault if they decide to move to and depend on a platform that’s bad for them.



  • Interesting take on the matter. Right now, I’m not sure which way I sway, since there’s valid points on both sides. On one hand, I’d hate to tolerate Meta, and I don’t doubt they have some plan for trying to bend and twist the Fediverse to suit their own interests. But on the other hand, as of right now, forcing them to play by the rules of the open source software we collectively use is leverage against Meta, and allows us to safely access their content without having to download their apps.

    Definitely going to have to think on this a bit more, myself.


  • Oh yeah, I agree it’s more effective, by far. I imagine that’s why Google has Opinion Rewards and other companies use surveys to directly understand the needs of their customers. Though getting people in mass to volunteer that info, especially without some small profit incentive like Opinion Rewards might be tricky.

    At least in the realm of targeted advertising, the closest example to user input would be when you set up an account, you’re prompted to select your interests. Like with Windows 10, when you’re setting it up for the first time, you’ll be asked about your interests, which Microsoft will then use to send ads and news pertaining to those categories.

    But yeah, I see what you mean


  • While I hate the shady data harvesting practices of companies like Meta, I do want to play devil’s advocate here, as far as the value of data goes, if only for the sake of me understanding the shortcomings of it better. If a company were to dig through your trash can to get an idea of what you want to eat, so to speak, they’d probably find data on a history of foods you have eaten, if you’ve been interested in burgers, or any other foods you’ve been interested in. Or if you’ve been an adventurous eater in general or if you prefer to stick to variants of the same stuff you normally eat.

    It may not give you a foolproof way of knowing what your next actions will be, but wouldn’t it give a company an educated guess, at the very least? Enough to improve the chances of targeted ads being more effective, as opposed to missing altogether.

    If catching the user’s interest is a dice roll, then wouldn’t the data at least improve the odds of rolling a number you want?