turdcollector69

If someone’s opinions are entirely formed by Russian propaganda memes then yeah. This guy didn’t pick Russia at random he chose it because he was influenced.

As someone with a 401k I really hope it isn’t.

The economy crashing won’t hurt billionaires but will kill the middle class.

If anything the economy crashing will allow the 0.1% to buy up anything they haven’t gotten already.

Now I know you’re not an ideologically serious person. You refused to engage with anything I said and instead doubled down on missing every single point I brought up.

Anything you say from here out is obviously informed solely by identity and not ideology.

If actual ideology was the basis of your reasoning you would have brought up a single ideological point but you didn’t and instead kept going back to identity.

If you can name one critique that isn’t just about his previous identity and your inability to let people grow and I’ll recant about you not being serious but I severely doubt you can.

Many people enter the military because of poor economic prospects, being crushed by capitalism is literally their best recruiting tool.

Without knowing why he joined, holding his service history against him is effectively victim blaming.

Not to mention that even if he was ideologically motivated he’s now turned against something he literally fought for, showing massive positive growth.

So either way his service history isn’t a valid refute for the points I’ve previously brought up about change/growth.

Sorry but this all seems like justification for indulging in identity politics.

“I’m troubled by having someone who’s already demonstrated that lack of judgement and awareness”

It would be one thing if he did something criminal or malicious but having had shitty beliefs and then changing them just shows growth.

Judging someone who’s an ostensible ally and who is exactly the kind of change we want to see for having needed the change in the first place is circular logic and ultimately self-alienating.

You say you’re fine with people changing but your logic doesn’t allow for anyone who’s changed their views to be a representative.

At this point it’s not even about ideology anymore but just straight up identity politics.

You’re basically treating him like he’s an ideological felon where he’s allowed to continue existing but can’t participate in politics.

Sorry but I severely don’t buy this original sin level of being forever unworthy just for having had different political beliefs in the past.

We need to normalize growing up instead of relentlessly punishing people for having been misled naive at some point in their life.

You say there’s better people to run but I’d argue that a convert is absolutely the best person to run because it opens the door for more converts.

All this “once an X always an X” rhetoric does is prevent anyone who wants to pull away from trump from doing so.

It’s already difficult enough for people to change, basically telling anyone who wants to change “yeah you can alienate yourself from my enemies but you’ll always be on my shit list” is absolutely not going to win them over and just reinforces that X identity is all they have.

Unless you like losing elections you really need to consider how winning people over is crucially important to any movement.

Purity testing has been the biggest contributor to the downfall of democracy.

If we weren’t so ready to cut each other down trump wouldn’t have gotten the foothold he did.

Until the progressive culture in America gets off its high horse the corporate donors are going to just keep us infighting while they sweep away our rights.

We need to accept that nobody is perfect and to allow anyone who wants to pull away from trump/conservativism to do so.

All this “once a X always a X” rhetoric only reinforces X identity because it denies any possible alternative.

People change.

2016 me would have you think that 2025 me would be the goose stepping leader of the Trump fan club but instead I moved to a liberal city, came out of the closet and have been living a genuine and happy life.

I now despise trump and have come to embrace democratic socialism.

That radical change was directly related to my liberal friends being willing to talk with me and welcome me into their spaces despite our differences.

If we can’t accept that people are capable of change then we’re defaulted into a perpetual conflict where physical violence becomes inevitable.

If things can’t be worked out with words people will result to hands. Those are ultimately the only two tools people have to deal with each other.

Accepting that people can change allows people feel like they have a space to change to. If I didn’t have my friends to welcome me into their liberal space I never would have changed because the social pressure to stay conservative and for fear of being alone.

Imagine the h3h3/Hasan drama if this was a thing

I feel like “expect” is being conflated with “want” because you can expect things you don’t want.

If anything understanding the motivations of a thing is the first step to expecting actions from it.

Yeah all the people praying for a crash are praying for nobody to have retirement funds.

You can easily tell who’s actually employed in this thread because anyone with a 401k is going to get dicked down while the 0.1% get a bailout.

Convince each one that they alone are the chosen one to assassinate grok and that this mission is all that matters to give their lives meaning.

My problem is that these labels don’t differentiate the levels at which demonstrable harm occurs. I’m not against labels, I’m against bad labels

Putting something that’s harmful at the parts per million(ppm) level in the exact same category as something that’s harmful in the parts per billion(ppb) level is counterproductive.

This results in people treating incredibly harmful compounds that are dangerous in the ppb range the same as compounds that are dangerous in the ppm or even ppt(thousand) range.

Including minor and major carcinogens in the same label makes people think they’re safer than they are.

It’s why prop65 warnings are a joke and ignored by almost all consumers.

If we’re going to use a single label that doesn’t differentiate the level of harm then we need to save it for the most harmful compounds only.

Tldr: Without more information on the label putting nitrates in the same category as asbestos or lead is counterproductive via implied false equivalence.

I actually had it backwards, unsaturated fats are horrendously bad.

Their molecular shape makes them more grabby than saturated fats.

This grabbyness makes them clog your arteries faster than saturated fats.

It has to do with the availability of hydrogen binding spots, unsaturated fats have room for more hydrogen bonds, saturated fats don’t.

Lmao a carcinogen tier list would unironically be fantastic because it would help me gauge the relative risk.

I just feel like putting evering into one big bucket is lazy as fuck and doesn’t really help anyone.

Exactly, just slapping a “warning cancer” label on literally everything does absolutely nothing to help me actually protect myself.

Yes!! Thank you for getting it. I have no issues with labeling carcinogens but we really need to distinguish between agents that are harmful at the ppm and the ppb levels.

There’s an entire axis that differs by orders of magnitude that is being ignored and it’s incredibly detrimental to the whole system.

This list sucks because it lacks meaningful information and is just eventually going to be a list of every compound in the known universe.

Clearly not well, reading comprehension is important

That’s what I’m saying, putting nitrates next to hardcore carcinogens like asbestos makes the hardcore carcinogens look less harmful than they actually are.

They need to differentiate the levels of harm or else it’s just another warning that people will ignore because it’s on literally everything.

How can you not see how putting in the same category implies the same level of harm.

I hate these fuckin reddit brained Lemmy users who intentionally misread comments just to argue some adjacent point.

Whatever if you all want pointless warning labels go for it, just know you’re not doing anything useful.