really good insight and it sounds like a good opportunity for the DNC to find those channels rather than give up and court suburban conservatives.

you make a lot of really persuasive points. if only the campaign had communicated them.

i think the chronically online politics sphere overestimates how much the average voter knows by about 100-fold and that’s why we get comments like this.

when mcdonalds releases a new burger and no one buys it, we blame the product and the marketing. but when the DNC drops a new candidate, there is no room to talk about the candidate or the marketing for some reason—it’s all finger pointing and blaming one another for not “just getting” information that’s all but kept hidden from a population with >20% rates of low literacy.

The time to resist was at the ballot box.

the quiet part out loud. :( pay attention to why you said this. politics and loving your neighbor does not end on election night.

honestly good on us for learning and quitting the cycle of clicking the outrage headlines and instead working together to minimize damage as a community

the resistance, if it exists, is you, not some profit seeking ad-running corporate entity. i hope things keep being this way.

i think there’s a bit more to the story than that but sure haha

edit: looked him up and he was an adviser to reagan? ew.

oops! you put words in my mouth :) common mistake.

i hate how people cram words into your mouth like this. thanks for being sane and normal. :)

i get and agree with the sentiment that donald trump will be worse in relation to the unbridled support of genocidal israel

but framing 40,000+ murders as “you haven’t seen shit yet” is inappropriately dismissive. we have fucking seen shit. have some empathy when you use other people’s suffering to justify your internet argument.

i need this information to start being treated as the act of oppression it is rather than the “americans dumb lol” framing i see even in leftist spaces.

americans, and disproportionately minority americans, are being intentionally refused education in the same way they are refused medical care—in service of cost cutting and privatization interests rather than public wellbeing and economic wellness.

thank fuck there’s at least one other angry & correct person online

you don’t get to capitulate to donald trump’s racist violent classist framing on everything for years and be held blameless after the fact.

not defending the bogus use of the cloud to host sensitive data, nor do i unquestioningly believe this? but correcting the record since you did 80% of the work in finding the link:

Be assured that the sensitive health data you track in the Clue app is never shared with or sold to advertisers, or any partners whose services we may recommend in Clue.

If you actually read what you sent it seems like the only data that is shared to advertisers is standard marketing stuff like IP, device ID, age group, and location. Still bad and I stand with others recommending locally hosted FOSS alternatives.

thanks, i have corrected my misreading in an edit. apologies for any undue hard feelings.

“women deciding what to do with THEIR bodies will eventually face the opposite (further misogyny) and that’s THEIR fault, actually”

sexism apologia? upvoted on my fediverse? it’s actually not a fucking surprise. this place is a toxic masculine hellhole

for the record, in no case is it acceptable to blame the self-preserving actions of a minority for radicalizing the majority. that is the language of abuse and oppression.

says that the Democrats have a messaging problem with working-class voters

Every other comment here is ignoring this word to the point it almost seems intentional. Read it carefully. Low-income union voters who swayed Republican are voting against their self interests, yes. But this was not adequately communicated to them.

This union leader isn’t saying that union voters are blameless. They are saying that union voters were fed destructive information which compounded with existing white supremacist and conservative bias.

Lemmy read the post challenge, impossible.

Late but here’s my model of the situation. Sort of a WIP and very new but a /gen effortpost, so I welcome thoughts:

It’s individualism versus collectivism. The collectivist understands intimately the function of working together for the protection and future of the group. There is no doubt in her mind about the practical nature of her actions because she can see them play out in her community. The individualist, by contrast, operates solo; everything for him is about your vote, your candidate. This leads to a divide between the individualist and the material outcomes of his actions. This gap—this absence of practicality, we might call it—leaves a vacuum where symbolism can enter. This becomes a problem not when symbolism is simply encountered by the individualist, but when the symbol becomes the act, when the vote becomes a kind of personal expression, and any thought for collective consequences falls by the wayside.

“Ordinarily,” if we imagine such a thing exists, these two identities intermix and act in a complex and altogether non-problematic way; I don’t wish to imply that individualism is simply “bad” while collective action is “good.” For example, concepts of individualism are fundamental to advancing human rights to consent and bodily autonomy.

However, the setting and background of your question is the USA, a country with deep, deep historical ties to white supremacist, capitalist, colonialist, even fascist values, all of which hold the individual as intrinsic over the collective. The result is that hyperindividualism is catastrophically rooted in the heart of U.S. society—even in progressive and leftist spaces!

So, when you see a pro-Palestinian proclaim abstention or that they voted third party, you are witnessing the complex outcome of genuine compassion intermingled with the values instilled by white supremacy and individualism. And so you hear the phrase, “I just can’t in good conscience vote for XYZ.” To degrees varying between people, the vote loses its material value and becomes nothing more than a symbolic moral statement.

This doesn’t mean the leftist non-voter is a white supremacist, of course! Rather, it’s that they have been deeply affected by the presence of those values in their cultural context and have not yet had the opportunity or experience with group frameworks to question their assumptions and reassert the significant importance of collectivism.

So, in conclusion, the unnuanced TLDR is “because America is a racist capitalist hellhole.” The good news I conclude from this, though, is that collectivism can be learned and promoted. Cultural values are definitely not static, and perhaps with education, support, and time, mindsets among leftists can be shifted to better support the whole of the community.

OP asked for a steelman but good try

first one of these i have seen with more than 0 points, perhaps the tables begin to turn 😭

Blue MAGA has been used to describe those who are fierce advocates of the so-called “vote blue no matter who”

ohhhhh! genuinely i have had it backwards this whole time i thought it just meant people using leftist rhetorical tricks to advocate for Trump. still downvoting this article because the concept is clearly just a strawman. seeing it 8.7mil times in the .ml modlogs made that obvious to me.

based and the correct choice. it’s just been a new way to dehumanize and it’s never appropriate. just report it if you are genuinely concerned about bot activity, everything else is just nasty.

skill issue