no problem solving in bed when you should be resting. if something pops up, identify it & make a note (mental or otherwise) to address it at a later time.

i’m not an expert, but here’s my take.

personally i question when such movements take power that we should interpret it as consent by the public majority.

part of the reason the public apparently bestow power to the machinery of government is because the machinery is supposed to protect them from this very thing happening.

the fact that it is happening, means such a rise in fact did not occur within the correct functioning of that machine.

therefore we should probably question whether we should interpret it as consent by the majority.

and if its not consent by the majority, then in some ways the picture is both bleaker and brighter.

brighter, because you’re not surrounded by quite so many evil fucks as they wanted you to believe

bleaker, well, probably don’t need to explain that bit

i feel like this is a good place to mention the ship shipping ships

https://www.superyachtshipping.com/

searching for ‘phpbb <topic name>’ can usually bring up a few struggling to dead forums for niche communities which are being sadly absorbed into bigtech monoliths

this is absolutely true and good observations.

i especially appreciate your point about the full experience of the cliffhanger.

this episodic storytelling format is ingrained in us, possibly for a very long time, but at least since the printing press flourished and episodic publications became popular and the illiterate would gather round those who would read aloud the latest episodes as they came out.

then came radio and families would gather around the radio listen to the weekly shows and discuss the possible outcomes of the cliffhanger with their friends and workmates etc. it was already very well ingrained into our society and culture by the time we were experiencing it.

in some ways i do like not having to wait, but it certainly removes layers of the experience as you’ve articulated well.

a ridiculous number of arguments are because people misunderstand what they’re actually arguing over.

it’s crazy how helpful it can be to stop, and check what they meant before responding to it.

apart from the obvious benefits, it can also make a nice pause for everyone to calm just a little, and also shows you’re making an effort to understand which can be helpful too.

anywhere shit gets cliquey it gets toxic real fast - and that goes for ANY and ALL organisations.

safe-space concepts often inherently deals with an “us/them” dichotomy, which is unfortunately fertile ground for things getting cliquey.

it’s not that one must lead to the other, its just that the foundation is there so the risk is higher if it’s not managed properly.

this is why safe-spaces need to be protected from within and without. regardless of whether you’re in the clique or out of it, it hurts everyone in the end.

who?

where/how/what are you eating copper which permits you to taste it?

is the machine the problem? that seems more like a philosophical or semantic debate.

the machine is not fit for the advertised purpose.

to some people that means the machine has a fault.

to others that means the human salesperson is irresponsibly talking bs about their unfinished product

imo an earnest reading of the logs has to acknowledge at least potential evidence of openai’s monetisation loop at play in a very murky situation.

no, they steal everything.

why do we keep letting them steal

‘free speech’ has always been about the freedom of the oppressed to fight upwards against their oppressor with language - but now they stole it & trying to make it mean their freedom to oppress minorities.

same for ‘woke’ - it used to mean basic human decency, once again they stole it & warped it’s meaning by pretending they’re the victims and it’s preventing their freedom (ie. their freedom to be a bigot).

same for ‘political correctness’, which was originally a criticism of using fake concern over moral issues for political agenda (sounds familiar), now warped beyond use.

swastika - used for THOUSANDS of years before the fucking nazis came along & stole it. now the cultures it actually belongs to get hate for practicing their ancient beliefs.

pepe and many others are a long list of things they steal and ruin.

why do we keep letting them steal?

i’m a piece of shit

and obviously lying about how well it worked out for me, or i wouldn’t be here forcing a smile for the camera and spruiking my latest bs

accept that this is the part of the animal kingdom you’ve been born into. we ALL have these types of interactions so noone can really judge anyone for it.

therefore just chuckle about it, and shrug it off.

Exactly!

Thanks for reading :) Realised i was going on a bit of a rant, but thought why not keep going lol

good points on the training order!

i was mostly thinking of intentionally introduced stochastic processes during training, eg. quantisation noise which is pretty broadband when uncorrelated, and even correlated from real-world datasets will inevitably contain non-determinism, though some contraints re. language “rules” could possibly shape that in interesting ways for LLMs.

and especially the use of stochastic functions for convergence & stochastic rounding in quantisation etc. not to mention intentionally introduced randomisation in training set augmentation. so i think for most purposes, and with few exceptions they are mathematically definable as stochastic processes.

where that overlaps with true theoretical determinism certainly becomes fuzzy without an exact context. afaict most kernel backed random seeds on x86 since 2015 with the RDSEED instruction, will have an asynchronous thermal noise based NIST 800-90B approved entropy source within the silicon and a NIST 800-90C Non-deterministic Random Bit Generator (NRBG).

on other more probable architectures (GPU/TPU) I think that is going to be alot rarer and from a cryptographic perspective hardware implementations of even stochastic rounding are going to be a deterministic circuit under the hood for a while yet.

but given the combination of overwhelming complexity, trade secrets and classical high entropy sources, I think most serious attempts at formal proofs would have to resign to stochastic terms in their formulation for some time yet.

there may be some very specific and non-general exceptions, and i do believe this is going to change in the future as both extremes (highly formal AI models, and non-deterministic hardware backed instructions) are further developed. and ofc overcoming the computational resource hurdles for training could lead to relaxing some of the current practical requirements for stochastic processes during training.

this is ofc only afaict, i don’t work in LLM field.

some people label themselves christian and feel that label is a free pass for venomous bigotry. my feeling is that’s perhaps a bit un-christ-like, actually.

ignoring the hate-brigade, lemmy users are probably a bit more tech savvy on average.

and i think many people who know how “AI” works under the hood are frustrated because, unlike most of it’s loud proponents, they have real-world understanding what it actually is.

and they’re tired of being told they “don’t get it”, by people who actually don’t get it. but instead they’re the ones being drowned out by the hype train.

and the thing fueling the hype train are dishonest greedy people, eager to over-extend the grift at the expense of responsible and well engineered “AI”.

but, and this is the real crux of it, keeping the amazing true potential of “AI” technology in the hands of the rich & powerful. rather than using it to liberate society.

LLMs could be made deterministic

Good reminder that LLM output could be made deterministic!

Though correct me if I’m wrong, their training is, with few exceptions, very much going to be stochastic? Ofc it’s not an actual requirement, but under real world efficiency & resource constraints, it’s very very often going to be stochastic?

Personally, I’m not sure I’d argue automation can’t be stochastic. But either way, OP asks a good question for us to ponder! The short answer imo: it depends what you mean by “automation” :)

If I identify as a vegan but I like to eat meat with every meal, am I really a vegan?

/thread

yes people come from reddit because it was ruined by corporate bs and immediately start simping hard for corporate propaganda, bogging down quality discussion

and it’s becoming the majority now, so just like reddit, you have to scroll so much further down a thread before the good info is found.

in other words: welcome redditors, pls leave the reddit bs at the door on your way in.