I think you are getting dragged into a bad and useless semantic debate.

Are you saying that my only mistake was saying Court of New York rather than New York Court of Appeal? Or is there any more fundamental problem to my earlier argument?

I’m not pretending to be a lawyer here. But the state level courts are independent of the federal courts. And Federal Agencies (like ICE) have been historically hampered due to 10th Amendment issues. ICE overwhelmingly relies upon local police to cooperate to get much done.

This might be a legal issue that will be battled over the next 4 years in the supreme court, but I’d expect that Blue State resistance of this manner is our next best battleground to choose. We’ve lost the Presidency and both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. That leaves Blue State courts (whatever their name) as the next defensive bulwark.

Blue States overwhelmingly voted for Harris.

It was PA, Michigan, Arizona and Georgia where the Presidency was lost. But California and New York will solidly resist Trump, much as free states resisted slavery centuries ago.

Don’t knock out history here. Sanctuary states/cities, free states, etc. etc. have a huge cultural impact and the states people WILL rally to the call. As long as we frame it correctly

I’ve got my Harriet Tubman underground railroad stop and the history all part of my State Public education, and I know all my fellow state citizens also got that education. We know the drill.

https://courts.delaware.gov/supreme/

The Delaware Supreme Court is the highest court in the State of Delaware. The Court has final appellate jurisdiction in criminal cases in which the sentence exceeds certain minimums, in civil cases as to final judgments and for certain other orders of the Court of Chancery, the Superior Court, and the Family Court. The Supreme Court has discretionary jurisdiction to issue writs of prohibition, quo warranto, certiorari, mandamus or to accept appeals of certain non-final orders or certified questions.

There is a single Delaware Supreme Court. There is a SINGLE New York Supreme Court.

If the Federal Courts are cooked, then we will make judgements within our state-level courts. And the state-level courts have the final word within their respective jurisdictions. The Federal Supreme Court has very little power over state-level courts.

This shit is WHY we have the 10th amendment.

With all due respect: I’m talking about the age-old strategy of Blue States protecting who Red States cannot protect. During the time of slavery, Northern States emancipated the slaves. The slaves had to get to the north somehow (ie: Harriet Tubman), but that’s just how our laws and legal systems work.

Is this a good thing that we have to go back to centuries-old bulwarks to protect ourselves? No. This is a regression. Nonetheless, these old fortresses of law stood the test of time, and its time for us to man this next level of posts. This legal tradition can also be blown over by a chaotic enough group, but its the most obvious place as the “next stand” we should do together.

Unless the Supreme Court is about to make some sweeping changes to “State Rights”, good luck to them fucking over state prosecutors and state legal systems.

The Court of Delaware continues to be in control of Twitter (and other corporate cases), not the Supreme Court. The Court of New York remains in control of Donald Trump’s felonies. Etc. etc. Sanctuary cities (and sanctuary states) will likely be able to thumb their noses at ICE (a Federal Agency with little power over the local state’s residents).

State-level resistance is the next step. I know not everyone can move to a Blue State, and a lot of this is Red States purposefully purging “undesirables” out of their state. But… Blue States can accept the runaway migrants and protect them. As well as a lot of the other citizens who feel threatened (ex: LGBT and whatnot as well).

Will it completely hold? I dunno. But its the next bulwark we have available, and we might as well defend it as a community.

I know basically nothing about any of those countries other than having vacationed in Mexico twice. I haven’t seen anyone say they are fed up with the U.S. and moving to Paraguay.

Note: Mexicans have been emigrating out of USA for about a full decade now.

So statistically speaking, Mexicans have been saying they’re tired of USA and have moved back to Mexico.

English common law: a citizen is born in a land and that land was owned by a king. As such, the citizen and the land are like one. Citizens based upon birth are owed protection by the local king, while the local king is owed the work of said citizens.

The tradition of birthright citizenship is far older than the 14th Amendment. People were arguing about this crap in the middle ages.

Well, it keeps getting worse until some point. But it took like a decade of shitty CDOs of CDOs finally collapsed in 2007.

It got to the point where strippers (and other not so wealthy people) where buying 2 or 3 houses aiming to flip.

Bubbles always bubble longer than expected

And if Trump does the trillions in tax cuts like hes trying to do, then the economy floats longer

overdue

That’s the problem. Bubbles keep growing until they don’t. And there’s no way to know when that will pop. This AI crap has been growing since 2016 AlphaGo or even 2012 IBM Watson.

Trump doesn’t do what he says he will do. Its pretty much random.

The reliable grift, such as anti-immigramt hate and anti-muslim stuff is obviously coming. And as awful as they will be, I’m not convinced that it will have an obvious effect on our economy.

When we start looking at things like Elon’s grift or other Billionaires he’s with, the stock market, crypto coins and other assets will go up. It seems unlikely to me that a crash would necessarily occur at the right timing you desire (this is bad for us in the long term. But the modern corporate economics world has become very good at hiding fraud and kicking cans down the road. Elon especially).

If they can hold most money together and make their supporters money (see Cryptocoin and Tesla stock right now), then they have a winning economic message for their core supporters.

Or do you think anyone actually gives a shit about how middle America will feel from this?

I’m not about conceding the information space.

What I’m saying is that without an allied media that you can actually trust to get the big news out, then people will be wondering about When Did Biden Drop Out again.

What if the economy doesn’t tank?

The President doesn’t have that much control over the economy. That’s a fundamental truth.

There will be awful policies but there’s no guarantee of an economic collapse here.

This is an election where people didn’t even know Biden wasn’t running anymore, as Google Trend searches of “Did Biden Drop Out of the Election” skyrocketed during the election.

And to be red, you have to want to take rights away from women and round up the immigrants.

Bwaaahahahaha. No.

To be Red doesn’t mean that. Republicans are just better at logrolling than you Democrats are.

If your allies are stinky racists, you roll up your sleeves and try to be a good Republican and make new arguments for your side that can drown out the racists. Why? Because allies are needed for power, and working with people you disagree with is more important for the cause than tearing down your allies.

Democrats need to become more RealPolitik. They need to be less ideal and more self serving if they hope to win elections in the future.

And you think you can do that when your opponent literally controls the outreach of your messages?

There is a +Elon Musk boost to Elons messages on Twitter. Furthermore, all the pro-Ukrainian posts systematically become NSFW and hidden from the timeline. Even when it is totally safe to view (like cute cat videos being shared by Ukrainian soldiers).

How the fuck do you get your message out on Twitter when Twitter specifically is being used to suppress your message?

Sure, that’s also sounds like a good disruption strategy.

The goal is to separate and disrupt us. And they will have fully paid specialists who strategize and are savvy on the latest arguments.

Anything that gets Democrats to tear each other apart is the goal. So we need to be careful about the whispers on the internet, and be more careful about thinking about who those whispers serve.

Or maybe, being a naive fool is how the left loses elections.

The Republican right explicitly builds media to serve them and tries to use media as a tool for control. And it works.

You can fight against the laws that empower this money system. But if you naively ignore the power structure and reality of today’s media landscape, you WILL BE DOOMED TO LOSE.

If you want to fight against it that’s… Fine. I get it. But you need power first and the current level of power Democrats wield is too low.

You are almost there but you are still slightly missing the point I’m trying to make.

Considering the fact that it is part of Russias strategy to polarize American politics to extremes

It is a specifically Russian strategy to demoralize the opposition through misinformation campaigns and the use of false flags.

A false leftist promoting a (on the surface) seemingly leftist point of view designed to disrupt and demoralize is within the Russian playbook. Case in point: Russians promoting both Blue Lives Matters and Black Lives Matters simultaneously, while specifically advocating for violence and otherwise making the discussion worse.

Now consider the messages that got out (and worked) in the last month of this election. Who created large arguments across Lemmy (pretending to be leftist) that Kamala is just as bad as Trumpon this issue?

Well, maybe some legitimate leftists believed that. But 100% if I were a Russian operative I know what message I’d be meming.

My brother in Christ you guys couldn’t be bothered to vote!

I think we need to discuss the serious chance that the Free Palestine message was designed to disrupt and demoralize the left.

We already know that the LA Times non-endorse + WashPo non-endorse + Gannett (who owns hundreds of local papers) non-endorse was specifically designed to demoralize us in the days before the election.

One Billionaires being scared of Trump making a non-endorse play? Okay I can believe that. Three that happened all within days of each other as a seemingly pre planned strategy??

No. Just no. We have some major enemies working against us and specifically trying to demoralize us this year. And it worked.

Why?

It’s almost like you have a major political party running disinformation against you that is hampering your enthusiasm across every known modern media platform or something.

I wonder who could be hurting the enthusiasm of the left with blatant attacks like the prevention of Newspaper endorsements, fake AI stories and possible algorithmic control of memes.