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  • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.workstopolitics @lemmy.world•British Morning Show Guest Declares Trump Is ‘the Anti-Christ’ After Prez Shares Wild Image of Himself as Jesus With Horned Figure Behind Him
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    2 days ago

    I’m really glad you’re picking and choosing the good parts of the Bible even if you’re in the minority. However, if you want to talk about Matthew 25 he describes hell multiple times and describes it as Eternal torture, ETERNAL fire, weeping, gnashing of teeth etc. That’s torture forever.

    For eternity. Let’s take an example of a very bad person, Adolf Hitler. He was really bad. Let’s say he went to hell for being really bad. According to you, he may have accepted god’s grace and gotten into heaven but let’s say he didn’t. Does he deserve eternal torture? According to the Bible, your vengeful God very much wants to torture bad people at let’s say I agree with that. I could agree that Hitler should be tortured for 100 years, maybe you think 100,000 years is not appropriate, but even for Hitler eternity feels very excessive to me. After a certain amount of time he would not even remember what he’s being tortured for. At least let him go into the nothingness of the void at some point.

    So based on Matthew 25, your example, and the thought experiment above you have a few choices.

    • The Bible is not the word of God and therefore can be thrown out. This is a great one because you can still be a good person but you don’t have to go through all of the mental gymnastics you’re going through to try and justify all the terribly evil things in there.

    • You are a blasphemer who is actively lying to people about your holy text in order to convince them, or maybe yourself, that parts of it do not exist or can be interpreted as the exact opposite of what it says.

    • You truly believe that someone, no matter how bad, deserves eternal torment. To be tortured forever. In that case I can confidently say that your morals are bankrupt and we can stop this conversation immediately because your moral foundation is completely flawed. Also important to point out that that foundation is a direct result of your religion and you could be much better without it. The world would be better without it as well.

    • Last choice is God works in mysterious ways so even though none of this looks good at all you can just continue on with your fingers in your ears and say that it’s not the religion’s problem, it’s just some people. There’s that toxic version of faith where you get to do whatever you want no matter how incongruent and even with the best intentions it causes cognitive dissonance and psychosis. This is what happens with the vast majority of religious people no matter which one it is. It’s the reason religion is innately harmful and should be abolished.

  • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.workstopolitics @lemmy.world•British Morning Show Guest Declares Trump Is ‘the Anti-Christ’ After Prez Shares Wild Image of Himself as Jesus With Horned Figure Behind Him
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    3 days ago

    I don’t understand then. Original sin is a primary tenant of Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without it. Otherwise what is Jesus saving you from? You have to deserve hell so that you can be saved.

    If you don’t believe this and force it onto your children then are you even a Christian? Why wouldn’t you want to completely brain wash your children to keep them out of hell? This is not some fringe thing. It’s unavoidable and necessary to justify the Christian religion’s existence. When I grew up in the church no one told me word for word, “you’re a terrible person and you can never be good”. They just taught me the Bible and the Bible is very clear on this.

    And don’t worry I’m not only attacking Christianity. Religion is easily the most harmful human invention. It has caused more suffering than anything else. Capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc are all bad but it’s not even close. Let’s eliminate religion first and then move on to the next most harmful thing.

  • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.workstopolitics @lemmy.world•British Morning Show Guest Declares Trump Is ‘the Anti-Christ’ After Prez Shares Wild Image of Himself as Jesus With Horned Figure Behind Him
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    4 days ago

    I’m glad there are good Christians out there and I’ve even met a few of them but it’s the exception for sure. A good Christian is good despite their religion not because of it. When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse. It then creates a ton of cognitive dissonance because none of it actually makes sense but there is immense pressure to fit into the group. Most Christians end up knowing it’s wrong but have to believe it’s right which creates psychosis.

    At its most basic, religion is a tool for getting people from a very young age to believe anything they’re told without question. This is what they call faith. It’s a complete bastardization of the word and the concept of faith. Faith should mean trusting someone because they’ve proved their character through actions. To Christians faith means you must believe whatever you’re told as long as it was interpreted from the Bible or said by an approved source of leadership like a pastor or, lately, a politician who says they’re religious.

    I’m glad you can see that Trump is an imposter. You have to justify your worldview by saying that you don’t believe literal interpretations of the Bible though. It’s a big problem and you really can’t blame the majority of Christians who have become evil by reading a book that they’ve been told is the word of God and then applying what it says to their entire identity. There’s good stuff in the Bible for sure but why do we need a book that has so much bad in it as well. It’s impossible to parse and interpret for most people.