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  • I am extremely skeptical of 2 and 3, because it means people who already decided to drop mainstream social media platforms will go back on their decision, and it suggests that people want instances to be more like Meta, rather than for it to function in a user driven way that provides things that Meta will never be willing to offer.

    If people can be tempted off of the Fediverse so easily, the problem is not Meta. Keep in mind that right now people are already choosing not to engage with Facebook. I’m not naive to assume that they won’t have appeal and influence and dirty tricks. but seems to me like such a complete lack of faith in the Fediverse to assume that if Meta merely exists alongside the ecosystem, it’s inevitable that everyone will jump ship. That sounds like what they wanted was a Big Tech-driven platform all along.

    I don’t think that’s right.

    Comes to mind also that Mastodon has had many years of headstart. How much of a slow growth does it still need?



  • I don’t think it’s possible to take down decentralized social media unless it fails by itself, unless the ecosystem here is so completely unappealing people decide to get back to all the well known ills and dullness of Facebook.

    Even compared to XMPP, it’s not the same. Chat programs are a communication tool. Social platforms are communities.

    I am not underestimating them, I don’t know why this insistence that I must be. I think people are catastrophizing and spelling doom forgetting that we are seeing tech companies fucking up time after another, and also not giving enough credit to the advantages and potential that we have here.

    If you think all it takes is peeking over the fence and the Fediverse will fall apart, the maybe it could never be. But I think the interest in something different will only grow now. I believe we can take users out of Meta instead.





  • People are fearful then meta will retract it/ defederate and take the majority of content with it (EEE). This would effectively kill the fediverse.

    I don’t see how that could possibly happen. It’s not like they can buy the Fediverse. Seems to me far more likely that the Fediverse will be gain interest from people wishing to follow/interact with Meta users without being beholden to Meta and if/when Meta decouples from it again the Fediverse will be larger than before. Sure, some may come and go, but others will find interests outside of Meta.

    Like everyone is pointing out, they already will be the largest instance. They are not going to gain that much by trying to trying to absorb the rest of people who are likely in the Fediverse from dissatisfaction with Big Tech and wanting to break free from their algorithms and restrictions.


  • Some of that definitely exists, if even karma score is something that gets some egos inflated, but I think this is a very cynical and uncharitable way to describe it when care for a community plays at least as much of a role.

    At the end of the day, even being the mod of a big sub is not much to brag about, nevermind the smaller ones. They are not celebrities, not even to the extent social media influencers are. Most users might not even recognize their usernames without that little tag or looking up the mod list. It’s most of all, voluntary work.



  • I think people really exaggerated this thing of “power trippers”, and that really only served to turn users to Reddit’s side. While there are a few mods who get too full of themselves, mods don’t actually get to command anyone or any sort of payment. Mods don’t hold a fraction of the power that admins do. And what do mods get to lose? The “privilege” to do volunteer work sifting through the worst things people can post? Is the power to ban someone really that enticing?

    And it’s not like the Fediverse doesn’t need mods too.

    Really it played out a lot like other kinds of protests. The ones in charge who are depriving people of something pointing fingers at the protesters temporarily inconveniencing them and saying “look what awful selfish people they are”. Which is ultimately what pressures protesters to give in the most.



  • A lot of people aren’t for or against “the masses”, but rather there are specific people, communities and topics that they want to follow, and they may follow them wherever they thrive.

    Personally I’m not too convinced by this idea that “Lemmy is better because there aren’t so many people in it”. I look forward for it and Mastodon to grow. I’d rather if Meta doesn’t get to be the main replacement for Twitter, but if there’s where all the people I want to follow go, then I guess I’ll have to go there too. At least the Fediverse integration might serve as a middle ground so people can follow Threads users without being beholden to Meta.


  • Unfortunately that is the power of marketing, an already established user base and a low barrier of entry. People who have Instagram accounts already have a Threads account, and people who have a Facebook account already have an Instagram account. It’s much easier to get them to try than it is to get people to sign up for any Fediverse instance.

    I just hope that once it opens to the Fediverse, people who are already there can feel more comfortable to make the leap and drop Meta. Because Meta is not going to let the users drive the experience anyway.