While a drone defense system is of course a mandatory requirement of modern warfare, the real solution is to ramp-up Ukraine’s ability to strike russia.

Additoanly the EU really needs to implement their own hybrid warfare methods against the russians.

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Sure, white washing russian gencodial imperialism and claiming that mass summary killings of civilians (like Bucha and not only) is a “BIA psyop”, internment of tens of thousands civilians and eradication of Ukrainian language, culture and identity is a good thing is totally “not cheering on any Ukrainian death”.

Get you fucked you stupid, degenerate piece of shit.

P.S. The gibberish about “ideology” is almost beautiful in an abstract way.

By this point adding an “/s” to such a statement is redundant. :)

Я в принципе с тобой согласен.

Хотя чёрт его знает что будет. 😬

Ok, how is this relevant to what NoiseColor was saying?

It’s pretty typical western copytext from my perspective.

How does NoiseColor know that he isn’t getting played about the nuclear bla bla if he doesn’t even speak russian?

Agreed, yes the strip club part of the palace was funny in many ways.

And the best option forward for everyone involved (including the russia) is to decolonize/end the russian empire.

Perhaps they are, but destruction of Ukraine as state is clear goal of the russians and they have not been able to achieve this.

It makes Ukraine complicit? In what? Where does Ukraine say it doesn’t matter about the horrors the Israel is doing in Gaza?

So the secret demands from Israel are so powerful that they can’t even get Ukriane to vote against (for Israel) and not abstain?

Remember “Kyiv in three days”?

Why is it funny? This thread is littered with random musings and most posters aggressively refuse to refer to specifics. And generally have a comically impractical take on the issue.

What you brought up is a solid point, Ukraine abstained when it should have voted in favour (I say this as someone who votes in Ukrainian elections, pay taxes, donates etc.).

Is that it? So Ukraine voting in favour (or against Israel) would stop the killing in Gaza?

What would change if Ukraine voted for (which I would have preferred) in the Oct 2024 General Assembly vote?

So what are those strings? I am not saying there are or aren’t, but surely you have to be specific if you are making such claims.

Initially there was a strong level of public support for Israel because people in Ukraine saw similarities between the behaviour of Hamas and the russians (summary killings, rape, internment or civilians). Once people in Ukraine saw what Israel did to Gaza attitudes started to change.

The government and Zelenskyy can’t stand Netanyahu because he is pretty friendly with putin. You’re not on great terms with someone who is meeting with your enemy (that has tried to get you killed several times).

You do understand that Ukraine requested the Israeli Patriots as far back as October 2022, right?

The PAC2 will be upgraded by the Americans before being sent to Ukraine.

Don’t get me wrong, America is of course leveraging our data on take down of russian missile (and literally everything else related to the russian military) and this data is shared with Israel

There is no need to make conspiracy theories, this was already happening even before Ukraine recieved the first upgraded Israeli PAC2 Patriot system.

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[1] is not valid. Anyone with modicum of critical thinking can understand the context. [2] Do you have any sources (preferably in Ukrainian) on this? You’re implying Zelenskyy is being manipulated, this is a big claim, what is the context? Zelenskyy was planning to call Netanyahu a dictator in a public manner before they provided the Patriot system? And now he changed his mind? [3] Conspiracy theory that doesn’t even make logical sense. What are they planning to blackmail Zelenskyy for?

And what does what your wrote have to do with “Ukrainians supporting their war crimes”. Your points are just random, extremely low effort musings and conspiracy theories.

No, you are wrong.

You bring up all this flowery rhetoric and random accusations, yet when push comes to shove, you always hide from specifics.

What do you mean by allying?

How would Ukraine not accepting the Patriot systems help the Palestinians?

Be clear and specific.

What do you mean by “Ukrainian support for their war crimes”? Be clear and specific.

You think your the first person I’ve met with this attitude? Be it IRL/online or from EU or USA?

You can’t even speak russian and you claim to understand their leadership and society. It’s extremely ignorant.

How is Ukraine’s acceptance of older Patriot systems from Israel a genocide of the Palestinians?

Ridiculous logic.

This is false. No one ever said anything like that. Nor are the actions done by Ukraine (or even Ukrainian society) aligned with this worldview.

The “lower level” comment is inappropriate and shows your ignorance of history.