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Cake day: July 4th, 2023

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  • In case you’re genuinely curious and not trolling, I’ll explain. Parties in the US are not fixed around a particular ideology or set of stances, but have changed frequently throughout history and often take completely opposite positions from their past iterations. Many historians like to divide US political history into eras called party systems to indicate when parties are roughly cohesive and when they go through major changes, and during the civil war era we were in the Third Party System. During the third party system the Democratic party’s base was made up primarily of white southerners (though there were northern supporters as well) and after the civil war they fought against Reconstruction in order to uphold white supremacy (the only issue that united Democratic voters in the north and south at the time).

    Though there isn’t consensus among historians yet, many consider us to be in the Seventh Party System now, so as you can imagine a lot has changed since then. I’ll let you do your own reading on that topic.


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    You’re lumping me in with a group I don’t identity with because you’re so dogmatic about your beliefs that you think anyone who contradicts them must be the enemy. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t support the war and that I oppose imperialism and yet you keep arguing as if I am in support of it. You speak about Iranians as if they are hapless pawns unable to think for themselves, insisting that the only reason they would protest against their government is if foreign intelligence agencies directed them to, which is actually a very colonial and condescending mindset for you to have. For an anti-imperialist, you sure like to dismiss the agency of people who are themselves victims of imperialism.


  • You’re ridiculous. The people I support are the Iranian people themselves, who did in fact protest over women’s rights. Even if the goal of Mossad’s support for the protests was to destabilize Iran in preparation for the US invasion, that does not make the protesters “pro-NATO forces,” nor does it mean women’s rights are nothing but a pretense. While that’s certainly the case for Mossad, the protests were undeniably carried out by the Iranian people themselves to advance the cause of women’s liberation.






  • I agree with all of that except for the inevitability of repression in a society under siege. Yes, that is a historical trend, but it’s also a choice that leadership makes, and it’s the wrong one. If the Iranian government made concessions on women’s rights, queer rights, etc. while holding firm on national sovereignty it would reduce the level of negative polarization the Iranian people have towards their government giving Mossad less to work with to destabilize Iran.


  • But the protests for women’s liberation were real, and the Iranian regime shut off the internet during those protests in order to suppress them. Even if Mossad was involved in stirring up that unrest it does not justify the state crackdown, nor can it be denied that there is grassroots support for women’s liberation in Iran. If you want your country to be less susceptible to manipulation by foreign agents your best bet is to give the people what they want so that they aren’t negatively polarized against their government in the first place. Every injustice enforced is an exploitable weakness that your adversaries can seize upon.