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Ok that’s solid! Wish I’d known the setup before.

I…. don’t get it…?

He not only is literally not a Democrat anymore he was only one in name only when he claimed to be. (See: Sinema). Assholes.

So fucking rich that it’s the NYT suggesting they effectively reported the facts and own no culpability.

We’d love peace there, like it was before Russia invaded. They should immediately withdraw all their troops so peace resumes. Great idea.

Shit man, I’m worried if we’ll have elections again at all full stop.

Yeah man agreed.

Yeah, discussing that in another thread. People just blowing off voting….insane.

Sure and I get it. I’m not on a yacht to be sure.

But how do you respond to a nebulous feeling? Biden took millions of loans off people’s shoulders. Kamala was specifically citing lower tax bills and home loan support. The GOP will deliver no such relief.

I heard time and again the economy is stable - AND people are still struggling. Hell she pointed out high prices and corporate profiteering. It wasn’t ignored.

That’s where I slam into a wall. Opting for “likely way worse” when “ok but could be better” was on the table.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

But they did because his first administration did nothing to address any of those issues and in fact made them worse. Based on his record their choice (deliberate or no) was to choose demonstrated incompetence and malfeasance instead of moderate change.

The chicken is too meh so order the shit sandwich?

But what represents that change when things are quantifiably pretty good? Opting for chaos? Change for the sole sake of change?

If he was an unknown quantity sure - but there’s recent experience of his first term and it was a shit show. Embracing authoritarianism because…grocery prices? There’s something more afoot. The logic doesn’t hold and there must be a shred of logic in there somewhere.

I sadly think that’s an excellent point. I truly believed a message of hope and compassion woukd resonate far more than grievance and retribution. I believed most of my fellow citizens want optimism in leadership.

Great point but I think not entirely correct. I’ve seen a bunch of interviews of people shockingly disengaged. Google even noted a spike on election day of questions about “did Biden drop out” - there’s a chunk of the population that just ignores politics and is utterly disinterested in voting.

Why I’ll never know.

Agreed - but how then do you reach someone not acknowledging the reality of their world?

If Timmy believes with all his heart there’s a monster under his bed is the answer to agree with him or show him time and again that, no there isn’t until he realizes it to be true?

Are we supposed to embrace it’s now a post-factual world?

The majority of the ~40% of eligible voters that actually participated.

That fact always shocks me. People have an invaluable right and don’t use it.

This is mental.

There is empirical reality. If its raining your feelings that it’s sunny are just fucking wrong.

The root problem is people being isolated within media and social bubbles where they are not being told the truth. Being barraged by “your feelings are knowledge”. They’re not.

Did the Democrats reach those voters? Clearly not. But the fact remains the economy is not a legitimate reason to opt for policies that are all but certain to make it worse. Quantifiably so.

To wit - I feel like there’s no rational basis for the outfome of the election. Does that change the fact? Is embracing my feelings going to make them real? How then to refute aside from “no, that’s wrong?”

They still killed Reedy Creek which I still find surprising.

If he had been a hit I expect he would have been in the VP slot. I think/expect he’ll fade away into lucrative consulting gigs and rake in the dough.

You’re right in concept but DeSantis utterly fizzled nationally. Even in Florida he’s aging like last week’s fish.

Harris is calling for unity and is on the ballot. Biden is not and can play the Bad Cop and call it like it is.

If they’re offended they’re likely not and were not going to vote Harris. If they aren’t then they’re admitting they’re not a Donny supporter.

I see win-win here. Maginalize the zealots that laughed when Americans were called garbage and ahow some saltiness to those sick of passivity.