That list covered both parties, but most times only one side got posted.

This may just mean Republicans are more careless.

Don’t say that. Then they’ll buy another safe for the decoy phones.

Are you implying that Fauci ordered the Wuhan lab to take unnecessary risks? Where is the evidence?

Gain of function research is an unnecessary risk that, by design, creates more dangerous versions of existing viruses. Darpa refused to fund the research.. Instead it was outsourced to Wuhan, funded by the US and approved by Fauci.

Events have proven Biden to be correct in this assessment.

Because it seems there is actual fire under the smoke.

You are also in no position to claim Fauci is a criminal.

I’m not calling him a criminal at all. I’m saying he may have done incriminating things, which have now been pardoned.

your “logic” says that because you can’t proved you haven’t done anything incriminating, I should assume that you are a criminal.

Not quite. You cannot assume I am not a criminal. We cannot assume Fauci did nothing incriminating.

When are you going to provide me evidence that you aren’t a criminal?

I don’t need to. Whether I am or not has no relevance.

Or will you admit that you only emotionally feel Fauci did something criminal

Fauci has means, motivation, opportunity, conspiracy accused colleagues and a blanket pardon. If the US did fund research that lead to covid, he is right at the top of responsibility with the most to gain from an unlawful cover-up and the protection needed to survive any attack. These are facts, not feelings.

If Fauci has to prove he’s not a criminal, then so do you.

He doesn’t. What you have to do is admit the possibility that he may have done something incriminating.

If you order a product to be delivered to your house and the driver of the delivery truck runs over a kid, then it can be proven that you approved funding an activity that resulted in the death of a child. So what should happen next?

Well. If you ordered the driver to go as fast as possible, take the fastest route by the schools and run every red light, then needlessly excessive risks were taken and the ability for you and your successors to make similar orders should be severely curtailed. If you then tried to hide evidence that any enquiry would be interested in, then that would be illegal and should be lawfully punished.

You’re arguing from emotion and there’s no logic to anything.

Quite the opposite. I’m saying it is logically impossible to claim the negative that Fauci had not done anything incriminating. In fact, given that a blanket pardon was granted, it is highly likely that something undisclosed occurred.

it doesn’t matter if Fauci personally approved the funding

Legally irrelevant but reputationally devastating. More than enough reason for illegal cover ups.

Other than the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

The blanket pardon nullifies this argument. Fauci may have done any number of incriminating acts prior to 2024, but none will ever be proven in court. It is not possible to claim there weren’t any.

I can’t prove that you’ve never done anything incriminating.

Now you’ve got it. This statement can’t logically be made.

is it fair for me to assume you’re a criminal?

You are not in a position to claim I am not a criminal.

how else do you think it’s known that the Wuhan lab got US grant money.

The Gmail conversations used to avoid FOIA disclosure point to a conspiracy.

Do you think he would know about activities China?

Yes, because he (probably) approved funding for the gain of function research that lead to Covid.

It’s about getting revenge on Fauci

Agreed. And his pardon should protect him.

But we still can’t claim that he has not done anything incriminating.

Read the initial statement.

“It’s not that he’s done anything incriminating”.

It is not “we can prove in court he did something indicatable”. This is not a case of innocent until proven guilty.

Are you somehow implicated because you work with the person?

If you are a boss and your subordinate does something wrong that is work related, you are either implicated or negligent. Neither are good.

Neither has Fauci [made a claim].

I’m not correcting Fauci. I’m correcting the inital statement above.

Not at all. I think it’s highly likely everyone involved was working for the betterment of mankind.

However, no person, group, institution or country wants to be shown to be responsible for Covid so it’s in the interests of the Chinese to destroy all physical evidence and for the Americans to destroy all financial records.

…you claim without evidence while accusing me of speculating about his innocence…

The claim above was that “It’s not that he’s done anything incriminating”. We do not know this. The preemptive pardon makes this even less likely.

Is there any reason to believe he [covered up a paper trail].

It depends how linked he is to his aide

We don’t know that you didn’t do anything indictable either.

I have made no claim either way.

Are you under the impression that Dr. Anthony Fauci worked at the research lab in Wuhan?

No. Are you? However, he may have been (ultimately) responsible for authorising funding for the research in Wuhan that created Covid.

He was pardoned preemptively because it was already obvious that these freaks would try to persecute him.

Or he did something that needed pardoning. Which is more likely.

Claiming Fauci committed any crimes is what’s pure speculation here. And besides, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Funding research abroad is not a crime. Covering up a paper trail leading to gain of function bat virus experimentation is.

We don’t know that he didn’t do anything indictable. We do know he can’t be indicted.

harassing him again about it is akin to double jeopardy.

Agreed. Pleading the 5th is the only sane response.

The only speculation here is that these three bullet points are related.

Yes. The rioters certainly did something incriminating before they were pardoned.

Claiming Fauci didn’t do anything incriminating, but was pardoned anyway, is pure speculation.

How the problem originated isn’t relevant to the people whose job is to deal with the problem.

If they caused the problem it is relevant.

No idea what you’re even talking about here.

Leaked Grant Proposal Details High-Risk Coronavirus Research This research plan was rejected inside the US, so abroad is the likely place where this could be done.

It’s not at all disputed that there are research grants and the research lab in Wuhan received a research grant.

The point is that fauci’s associates were deliberately keeping communications a secret. Literally a conspiracy.

“why would they want to do this?”

Maybe they want to hide that they funded the gain of function research that lead to millions of deaths.

how does having testimony from a guy that’s retired help determine that? What does it even accomplish even if you did determine that a virus came from a lab in Wuhan?

To find out exactly what research Wuhan was doing for Niaid, and who authorised it. This would lead to even stricter controls on gain of function research worldwide.

why would China want to intentionally release a virus on it’s own people

I doubt they would. Most likely the virus was accidentally “walked out of the lab”.

Will you stop pretending that fascists cracking down on individual scientists is a good thing.

I don’t care who cracks down. I don’t want dangerous viruses to be artificially mutated to make them even more dangerous for humans.

• Is the possibility that Covid-19 leaked from a lab a conspiracy theory?

• Was there a DARPA research group planning to insert a "proteolytic cleavage site” into bat coronaviruses?

• Did Niaid award a research grant to a company, who then issued a sub-award to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China (and intentionally hide communications from public view)?

Not questioning government sources is the stupid part (particularly with this administration, but also with others).

Yes Fauci was pardoned, but we can’t assume him to be innocent.

I mean from a fleet of 30 planes they could (in theory) buy/retire one or two a year without big spikes in cash needs.

Airlines almost never own an aircraft. They sell to banks and lease back, so they have smooth annual OPEX costs, not large CAPEX costs every few years.

It’s not that he’s done anything incriminating (he was pardoned anyway).

This assumption is too strong. Imagine making this same statement about Jan 6th rioters.

An interesting point. Has he invented new forms of corruption for government officials, or is he just bad at hiding it?

When a foreign actor is violating the territory of a member of the European Union

This has not happened. A private company is threatening to drill before it is permitted.

Trump wants this to escalate so the important thing it not to let it.

Nothing to do with liberalism and your confusion of the difference.

(US Liberals are closer to anarchists. EU liberals are closer to Bernie)