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  • I’d argue that this is closer to “don’t put tomatoes in a fruit salad” rather than the Pluto thing.

    There’s no colloquial definition of planet that would include Pluto and exclude the potentially hundreds of things like Pluto in our solar system save for “what I learned in school.” Pluto got planetary status because humanity saw it. It lost it because we found out more about it, it’s neighbors, and planets in general. Because no other definition really makes sense the scientific one prevails.

    There are multiple colloquial definitions of continents and fruits/vegetables that make sense that are at odds with any scientific understanding therefore the scientific one doesn’t prevail.

    Generally I like colloquial terms to stay colloquial and scientific terms to stay scientific.

    That’s all well and good for terms that originate from and remain in science–there’s probably never going to be a conflicting term for “adenosine triphosphate” for instance, but for terms that originated elsewhere first and science had to adopt that’s not gonna happen. My previous comment was to your assertion that continent is a scientific term, when in reality it’s use predates the establishment of geology as a formal discipline by hundreds of years. To claim therefore that it is a scientific term and that you want it to stay that way is predicated on an untrue foundation.

    There’s really no way to stop the masses from picking up and misusing scientific jargon, and whereas science is the means through which humanity learns more about the world, continued scientific progress will inevitably lead to more new terms that leak from science into a common parlance. When talking to scientists you just gotta mean the scientific thing; when talking to others you just gotta mean the other thing.

    It’s also not just science, BTW. Every field has specialty language that conflicts. If you’re not a programmer you may not know what a string is. If you’re not in IT, you may not know the difference between a CPU and a monitor. That’s fine. That’s just how language works, and that’s what let’s us communicate with each other.


  • I don’t think I’m supposed to be calling it the Middle East without seeming like an imperialist

    Then call it what people in the region call it themselves.

    I don’t want to call it West Asia because I don’t like Europe being a continent, so I’m kinda stuck.

    Not stuck at all. A unified continent wouldn’t be called “Asia.” The region called “Asia” (which itself is ambiguously defined) would still be called “Asia” (and still be ambiguously defined) and thus “West Asia” would be the region on the west side of “Asia” which would decidedly not be Europe.

    The fact of the matter is that what we call ourselves and others is all political and a great deal of it is imperialism. We need terms to refer to areas and groups so people know what we’re talking about. If those groups aren’t like us there’s a great many terms we can use which just end up being dog whistles.

    Is there any big difference in referring to “The Middle East and North Africa” vs “The Arab speaking world?” No, not really. Would people understand what you’re talking about either way? Yeah, probably. Would people understand what you mean by “West Asia?” So long as they aren’t being imperialist pedants, yes.


  • Continents are social conventions, not strictly scientific. If it was purely scientific you’d either end up with 4 (if going by “big contiguous land mass”), 7 (if going by “major tectonic plates” thereby putting Hawaii and bits of California on one continent), or almost 20 (if going by “any tectonic plates”) (or 6 or 5 depending on how else you want to slice the pie).

    There are scientific interpretations of “continent,” but with everything in science there’s ongoing refinement to determine reality and thus a consensus on the exact classification of a landmass as a continent is not uniformly shared.

    The existence of a scientific term does not preclude the existence of colloquial or political usage with a different definition, and to prescribe a single definition (and a minority one at that) as the single source of truth is myopic.



  • You have a global day and you have local euphemisms. “Evening” just becomes “the dark after lunch” instead of “the dark after noon.” That’s a trivial linguistic adjustment to make to ensure that the thing we actually care about syncing up for convenience is synched up for convenience.

    Edit: we already have such euphemisms and ambiguities in English:

    • tomorrow: the day I wake up next
    • night: the dark before I sleep (saving “morning” generally for after you wake and not a strict time like 00:00)
    • next (as in “weekend”): 2 weekends from now
    • biweekly/bimonthly: once every other OR twice every












  • Okay?

    The Surface duo was released a month prior to the chargers announcement. The charger gets its name from the fact that it can charge 2 devices, which is a fundamentally different gimmick than the naming scheme of this phone. The charger also exists in a different product category than either phone.

    The fact remains there are now 2 companies who have released specifically folding phones named duo in a relatively recent time frame. There are other phones with the duo monicker hinting at things like dual cameras or sim cards, but at the end of the day, I was expecting Apple to hold true to their persona of being unique and special in having to rename even the most basic things that I was surprised they settled on exactly the same name one of their competitors had used for the same product category.

    The existence of other things named duo doesn’t invalidate that there are now 2 folding phones named the same thing from different companies.